Quick Question..

[TonyaB]

Since my thread was just closed, is anything going to be done about applebooty here on MSP?? :hammer:

[Andrew2]

I wrote this like 15 minutes before the thread was closed but I was too late..
Closing the thread because "no resolution will be found" doesn't make sense to me. Can't we keep it open til it's addressed?

I can try to help donate too, and seriously until this is resolved or on good terms I can't sell to Ashley. I don't need anymore trouble in my own hands aside from the troubles I cause myself haha.

Goodluck...

...and Tonya I know personally that you support your entire family with your income.

From the time you had to call your school for shot records to the time you needed to get a job due to financial problems. Your mother WHOM IS DEAF and has a hard time holding a job depends on you for the bills and I know you have proved yourself to be a mature independant and I honestly feel bad that you're being called a child and a brat simply because you want your money back after a failed template design. And yes this is all the truth, and to make you feel sympathy for Tonya because Tonya doesn't deserve to be chewed on like a chew toy when she's the responsible one in this situation. :P

The whole "child" excuse is just because of your age, Obviously maturity comes from ones brain and attitude towards other people and in this case you've done nothing wrong. Ignorance is when you say stuff to people knowing it may not be the truth but you continue to think that way just because it's how you want to feel.

I wouldn't go so far as to name call someone who's trying to work a situation out with me because I've been in a similar place as Ashley where I made some stuff for someone then stopped working for them and I ignored them, I was totally in the wrong got a dispute handed to me which got me on edge, but in the end I finished the job and learned a huge lesson. Now that person probably won't want to do business with me ever again and even talking with them makes me nervous and awkward since I feel guilty about it.. Which may I add is not what you ever want. Losing a friend/acquaintance and a buyer sucks.

So Ashley I hope you just learn a lesson from this if anything, Your site's "TOS" will not cover for your recklessness. In a legal court if you don't finish the job or do it insufficiently then the judge will not say "oh but her terms of service says she's still entitled to this so I'll just pretend like the law doesn't exist and base my ruling on rule number whatever"..

GET THIS RESOLVED IN WHATEVER MEANS POSSIBLE
JUST BECAUSE SHE DOESN'T WANT TO TALK TO YOU ON YIM DOESN'T MEAN YOU ARE ENTITLED TO WALK AWAY FROM IT.
Email her, PM her. She's YOUR CUSTOMER??

Do what's right and just pay the 16 YEAR OLD GIRL WHO SUPPORTS HER ENTIRE FAMILY WITH THE MONEY YOU ARE STEALING back.

[Ashley]

Tonya, I've told you... just talk to me about it and be civil. I don't know what the deal is... I'd have NO problems giving you your money back if you'd just TALK TO ME about it, instead of constantly being rude and gossiping about it.

[Andrew2]

In order to give refund you don't need to socialize with the buyer.
In paypal you type her email address and send the funds, it doesn't require a conversation.

[TonyaB]

Why should I talk to you about it when you avoid the main point? Why do you have to talk to me before you can send me my money? Geez.

The only way I'm gonna talk to you is here through PM. I have you blocked on all my IMs after you basically called me spoiled brat, that hurt especially coming from someone that was my "friend" & because I do support my family and I work hard and have like no help from anyone, I'm basically taking care and supporting myself.

[Christinax]

I also support you Tonya because i know how much money is needed right now for everyone.

I would also think anyone should think about doing business with Ashley after this, may this be a warning to you all :yawn:
It shouldnt of even come to this, the money should have been refunded right away.

No point with disputes they always go in the sellers favour so you would not get your money back that way.

[Ashley]

I'm not asking for you to "socialize" with me. I'd just like to talk to you about it. However you decide to handle it, it's up to you.

[cheeseontoast]

Just call in a PayPal dispute. Freeze those funds baby!

[TonyaB]

What is there to talk about? I already PMed you once and you didn't want to talk about giving me a refund, you just wanted to argue about it. And then you tell me to message you on IM and not on here.



Just call in a PayPal dispute. Freeze those funds baby!
if you seen the last thread I posted, I did file a dispute and closed it a couple days after she agreed to pay me back on Jan 1st.
I also called PayPal on Monday to ask them if there was anything that could be done since I had already closed the dispute and she had not refunded me. They said there was nothing they could do and the only way to fix it would be to talk to the seller. As you all know, I've tried to do that and it's not going anywhere.

[Matt]

Can you create another dispute though? Just make another.... until you get your money back.

[Andrew2]

Paypal doesn't allow you to make two disputes on one transaction :(

[Matt]

Paypal doesn't allow you to make two disputes on one transaction :(

Well that sucks, and you can't reopen them can you? I dunno about these things lol.

[Taghyra]

Like a said, she can keep the f-u-cking money if it's such a big deal for her. Tonya will get her money even if it's not from Ashley. I think it's funny how she wants to speak about it, when Tonya asked for a refund over a month ago.

I remember one time that I needed money, someone that was here helped me out, and I will give that in return to someone that can use it too.

I just can't believe this shiz...

Oh hold on Tonya, give me $200 bucks... I have a house to pay, a car to pay, a child to feed, and more bills to pay, so, sorry, I can't pay you back....

sure!

[Matt]

Like a said, she can keep the f-u-cking money if it's such a big deal for her. I was thinking about something but, it's not even worth it, Tonya will get her money even if it's not from Ashley. I think it's funny how she wants to speak about it, when Tonya asked for a refund over a month ago lol.

I remember one time that I needed money, someone that was here helped me out, and I will give that in return to someone that can use it too.

I just can't believe this shiz...

Oh hold on Tonya, give me $200 bucks... I have a house to pay, a car to pay, a child to feed, and more bills to pay, so, sorry, I can't pay you back....

sure!

Your so amazingly awesome tag.

[minnseoelite]

Since my thread was just closed, is anything going to be done about applebooty here on MSP?? :hammer:

Being the only mod online right now or that knows anything that has gone on I can't really answer this because I would want all the mods opinions first. But generally business that is conducted off MSP is not our concern (I know that sounds bad). While we do want to protect our members we cannot police the internet and every transaction that takes place off the forum.

This is not a definitive answer or saying who's right or wrong in anyway cause i'm sure i don't know the full story so don't look into it too much, wait until the other mods can catch up first.

[Christinax]

This should be left open tho.
People need to no this as applebooty is a seller here.

[cheeseontoast]

Precious is still my fave thief.

[Matt]

Precious is still my fave thief.

I need to pay for my cat's hip replacement!!

[Nora]

This isn't any of my business but would hate to see Applebooty banned over this. It's not like she's a scammer.. this is just business gone wrong due to lack of good communication from both sides.

[Christinax]

This isn't any of my business but would hate to see Applebooty banned over this. It's not like she's a scammer.. this is just business gone wrong due to lack of good communication from both sides.
Not really, she has had months to correct this, i think Tonya has been more then patient.
If someone did me out of $100 i'd be pissed too.
I like Ashley, but noone has the right to think they can keep other people's money, imagion what state the world would be in if that was the case.

[cheeseontoast]

noone has the right to think they can keep other people's money, imagion what state the world would be in if that was the case.

haha... err... well... err... we don't have to imagine... we're in a bit of a crisis because of just that at the moment if you hadn't noticed.

[Christinax]

Exacially, now imagion how much worse it would be if this was allowed..

[TonyaB]

Well regarding my PMs I've gotten from my thread, I don't think I was the only one ripped off by Ashley.
I guess I was the only one that was willing to put it out there. :(

[Christinax]

Well regarding my PMs I've gotten from my thread, I don't think I was the only one ripped off by Ashley.
I guess I was the only one that was willing to put it out there. :(


Maybe Ashley thinks because she has friends here, she is allowed to rip people off because people will support her when confronted.
It looks like she doesn't even want to make things right?

[Taghyra]

This isn't any of my business but would hate to see Applebooty banned over this. It's not like she's a scammer.. this is just business gone wrong due to lack of good communication from both sides.

There's no "lack of communication" on a situation where someone already asked for their money to be refunded and the other party agreed to do so.

[Melissa]

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/funny-pictures-cat-challenges-you-to-a-fight.jpg

Uh ohh...

This is the way I look at it. If Ashley's got the money in her account right now, 2 days, weeks, month ago... she should have paid her back.

Ummmk. See, cause there's nothing to talk about.

Someone doesn't like your custom work, refund.

You don't like that new shirt you bought, refund.

The iPod doesn't appeal to you like you thought it did, refund.

You want a custom layout, you don't like it, refund.

Kbye!

[John]

awww leave ashley alone, to the people that are not involved in this situation.

[Nora]

You do realize that Ashley actually worked instead of just taking the money?
I don't think anybody has the right to call her a scammer. Sure, maybe some things should have been handled differently but it's ridiculous how everybody's acting like she stole the money.

[Christinax]

Well she didn't give it back.
What Melissa said pretty much sums it up for me.

[Taghyra]

You do realize that Ashley actually worked instead of just taking the money?
I don't think anybody has the right to call her a scammer. Sure, maybe some things should have been handled differently but it's ridiculous how everybody's acting like she stole the money.

I know Nora, I know. I saw the layouts. You are still missing the point though, the point is that Tonya already asked for a refund, and Ashley agreed to do so. They are past the whole layout/work/custom situation.

So in this case, given the fact that a refund was asked for and it hasn't yet been received, I do think it's stealing :)

I do think you should put yourself in Tonya's shoes for a second (rather than in Ashley's), and see how you would like to give your money to only get something that you're not satisfied with and find out you can't even get your money back. The least Ashley could be doing right now is to at least send her some kind of product rather than leaving Tonya empty handed.

If you think about it, Ashley got a 100.00 out of it, and Tonya got nothing because nothing was never sent to Tonya, Tonya only saw previews of what she could be getting... how is that fair?

[Mr.King]

Well she didn't give it back.
What Melissa said pretty much sums it up for me.

Who cares what you think? In fact, who cares what anyone thinks?

The fact is this is kind of sad because now Ashley is being branded as a scammer when she certainly is not and this is going to delay the refund even longer.

This has not been handled correctly on both parties but to bring it out into public forum? that is pretty pathetic. I mean, I couldn't really give a fcuk about her family and being dependent upon her myspace site revenue.

I'm sure no one could really care if Ashley has 6 bazillion dollars in the bank ( ok that's a lie, most would be her bff in seconds ).

The simple fact is it really has nothing to do with anyone else here and it should be between two people, the buyer and seller.

Now you can ***** at me and call me names. Like I care ;)

[marshall_26]

this is childish... paypal has a dispute center why bring it here?

[Andrew2]

this is childish... paypal has a dispute center why bring it here?

Because she did a dispute, had it open, Ashley agreed to pay by a date so the dispute was closed but Ashley didn't pay and now Tonya's running out of patience since it started back in November. You can't open a dispute, close it then re-open it. Once you close the dispute it's finished, but in this case it's not finished and it can't be handled on Paypal. Ashley is demanding that Tonya message her on YIM in order to receive any money even though she's already stated a few times that she knows she owes her the money back but is not willing to until they communicate for whatever reason and Tonya has been communicating since the start and has about had it up to here *hold hand facing palms down near neck line*... :)

[Christinax]

The fact is this is kind of sad because now Ashley is being branded as a scammer when she certainly is not and this is going to delay the refund even longer.

Well it's been months, how long does it take for a refund :hammer::hammer:

You don't care about Tonya's family depending on her income? Well thats exacially how i feel about Ashley been branded a scammer.

[marshall_26]

Web development is a real difficult area to deal in, on one hand you have people that want to pay $25 for $2500 worth of work, on the other hand you have web developers that don't follow through like they should...

Sometimes the buyer is not specific enough, other times the developer underestimates the job, either way at this point the developer has time into the project, and time = money.

The point is, it's kinda hard for anyone else to judge either person in this situation.

[Mr.King]

Well it's been months, how long does it take for a refund :hammer::hammer:

You don't care about Tonya's family depending on her income? Well thats exacially how i feel about Ashley been branded a scammer.

Exactly I think you mean.

If you are going to try and insult Ashley, at least spell right first ;)

Marshall and Nora are the only people that have put forward valid points in this thread considering the only people who know exactly what is going on is the buyer and seller.

[Christinax]

If i wanted a spelling lesson i would have asked....:kiss:

[cheeseontoast]

If i wanted a spelling lesson i would have asked....:kiss:

Exacially is spelt (spelled for you Americans) exactly. Let's make the UK look educated, come on!

[minnseoelite]

This isn't any of my business but would hate to see Applebooty banned over this. It's not like she's a scammer.. this is just business gone wrong due to lack of good communication from both sides.

The transaction took place off the forum so I doubt she will get banned that would be like banning a member because of something that happened over the phone.

At some point I will have to say something either here or to the other mods so I might as well do it now. IMO this is a misunderstanding of the terms regarding refunds. Ashley's site clearly states that NO refunds are given and just by paying her Tonya agreed to those conditions. Now Ashley has agreed in writing both in PM and in the threads to refund the money so I believe that should be honored. However since this is contradictory to the original TOS I don't think Tonya or anyone else has the right to set a time frame for the refund and like with most business can be done at a point and time determined by the business owner.

I see a lot of ppl here saying it should be immediate but there is no way to force that because the site's TOS are the only legally binding contract which state no refunds. There are tons of businesses out there that make you wait 30, 60, or even 90 days to be refunded.

Sorry Tonya and Ashley that things got to this point, hopefully you two can work this out. I will leave this thread open and I'm sure the other mods will as well if ppl can behave themselves.

[ituhitam]

sorry if it's a bit off topic but i got to say that i had 2 bad experiences with Applebooty.

Starting at 2007 when i ordered customs from her and she just would not finish the graphics ( 80$ worth ). The reason why she would not finish my graphics is still unknown until now. And because I was too irritated by the fact that she acted like she would not refund my $, i told her not to refund the 80$ and wished her a good luck.

I never talked to her since then until 2008 she PMed me to help her link exchange with other site in order to get free packs from her. Because she asked me to do that, i remembered that i lost all graphics made by applebooty in my crashed hard disk so i kindly asked her to send me the packs. from there she hardly reply my PM and of course she would not remember that she still owed me the free graphics ( + message me that it's really IRRITATING of me to ask for lost packs etc etc )

Well I was too lazy to do anything about her but i hope everyone would know if she's very unprofessional when it comes to business.

[stephysan]

hmm that sucks tonya, but if i was you i would just forget about it, i mean if she wanted to refund you the money she would have a long time ago. theres no need to talk about it when she already knows you need the money, all that was there to do was send it back. now she make it seem like its ok not to refund the money just because you ruined her reputation..

idk why ppl make things so complicated. :shifty:

[Kry]

this suck i hope you get your $$$ back tonya!

[rufus]

A refund was promised but no refund was given.

Thats all that matters and nothing else.

TOS means nothing

If said person promised refund and wont give it then yes they are a SCAMMER.

The main thing about designers and doing business is you want the customer happy cause that person is your #1 source of advertising. You do the customer good and they tell everyone how awsome you are etc....

You go back on what you say and do the customer wrong then that #1 source of advertising works but in a negitive manner.

This is it happening right here and now and in essence AppleBooty you are doing nothing more then killing your own business and sales by not doing what you said you would. Your attitude alone in the other thread turned me away and I will never buy nor do any business with you just for the fact of the way you have carried yourself in both these threads.

Count any future business you may have got from me gone and Im sure its not just me. But you did it to yourself here. If you had of done what you said you would none of these threads would be here now.

Dont blame others. Take responsibility for your own decisions you have made and you have no one but yourself to point the finger at here. You could have stopped it all by just doing what you said you would.

You thought things were tough before ??? You just shot yourself in the foot by letting this boil over.

[John]

how i feel about Ashley been branded a scammer.

your an idiot, Ashley never scammed anyone, and you make it seem like Ashley "scammed" you, and everyone else on msp.

[Christinax]

Jack why only quote half the sentance? That makes no sence...


Originally Posted by Christinax
Well it's been months, how long does it take for a refund

You don't care about Tonya's family depending on her income? Well thats exacially how i feel about Ashley been branded a scammer.

And no i'm not saying she scammed me or the rest of msp, i'm saying it's wrong not refunding Tonya, fool.

[Nora]

Please take a look at her itrader page and how much she contributed:
http://myspacepros.com/forum/itrader.php?u=2556
It's unfair that she's being labeled a scammer.

I completely understand that she promised to refund the money and I do think she should stick to what she promised but ruining the reputation of her business shouldn't have been necessary and isn't going to speed up the refunding. There must have been a better way to handle this situation than to make it public. I hope both of you come to an agreement :)

[Jessalicious]

I didn't get a chance to reply to the other thread, by the time I had seen it, and got through all the replies, it had been closed.

Tonya, if there was any way that I could help, I sure as heck would. You don't deserve to have to be out that kind of money just because someone won't pay you your money back.

I hope you do get your money back though.

[minnseoelite]

I think everything that needs to be said about this has been said. Ashley has agreed to refund the money and whatever details about how this will be accomplished can and should be handled between the two of them off the forum. MSP is not the place for public disputes nor are we the internet police, judge, or jury regarding stuff that takes place off the forum.

Good luck to the both of you :)



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[Rob]

Agreed. More drama.........same old faces.
Good call Jason