Obama: Problems are Mounting

[rufus]

From another forum

20-year association with anti-USA domestic terrorists, including $ exchanges

20-year tutelage mentored by a radical, anti-white, anti-USA pastor

Friendship and partnership with a since-convicted criminal, including $ exchanges

Alliance and campaigning efforts for a radical Muslim presidential candidate in Kenya resulting in riots and many, many deaths

CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE

What's that smell?

[Kasami2k4]

Hey wasnt George Bush pals with Osama?

[feebee]

thank you and the bin laden family was still in the us at the time of 9/11

also the bush family has been close friends with the bin ladens for over 25 yrs

and alot of the hijackers where on our payroll and took training at military schools

9/11 was a staged attack. the arabs are our fable enemies

the just wanted to take 300 billion dollars worth of gold that was under the towers.

bush did it so he could pay off our debt

funny how saudi arabia was $160 billion in debt

but a week after 9/11 mysteriously they had no more debt....hmmmm

so thats some bull****.

[Mimi]

lmao. I was just reading something about this "association" in a paper. Oh how I love how people blow things out of proportion. It's mainly Fox News who is doing that but whaddya expect.

[rufus]

Hey wasnt George Bush pals with Osama?

Osama was exiled by his family many years ago because of his terrorist activities. Go and read.

They have nothing to do with him.

[rufus]

thank you and the bin laden family was still in the us at the time of 9/11

also the bush family has been close friends with the bin ladens for over 25 yrs

and alot of the hijackers where on our payroll and took training at military schools

9/11 was a staged attack. the arabs are our fable enemies

the just wanted to take 300 billion dollars worth of gold that was under the towers.

bush did it so he could pay off our debt

funny how saudi arabia was $160 billion in debt

but a week after 9/11 mysteriously they had no more debt....hmmmm

so thats some bull****.

Can you show me where you got your info for each of those statements ?

I can only verify 1 being true

[rufus]

Now CNN which leans left is even showing the BS Hussien Obama corruption.

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[urheart]

Rufus, you're a jackass. You're basically forwarding something that someone else posted in a forum. Where was THEIR valid source?

Now, you want proof for Bush's association? Please.

*Some* people will look for any reason not to like Obama...even if it isn't true.

[Riseykins]

The media makes me...ah baby yeah!

[Jazzylee77]

Were the Bin Ladens that Bush knew, terrorists? Did he launch his campaign from their living room? Did they ghost write his first book?

Anyways, this junk being thrown around about all the candidates is secondary to the biggest issue in my mind. The country has been heading toward increasing socialism (http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/gov_philosophy/socialism_still_a_failure.htm), causing our economic and cultural decline regardless of which party may be in power. Problems are blamed on greedy capitalists and and we are given more of the "oversight" and redistribution of wealth that caused the problem in the first place.

Greed is a given within any economic system. Many will always be tempted to get more, sometimes even more than what they may deserve in a deal.

In the socialist components of our society, greed is a drag on our economy. Politicians buying votes with special handouts, viewing any wealth as belonging to the government to spread around to their constituents who vote for who will grab the most for them from the high achievers. Any new bill is seen as something to tack on kickbacks for political allies, new jobs for friends and family who then grab as much of the budget as they can. Government run enterprises cost as much as seven times what it would in the private sector as employees exist outside the impact of competition, instead focusing on how much money and benefits they can get out the situation, with no real incentive for cutting costs. Businesses fear reinvesting or getting too big, since more and more is taken from them by the greedy politicians and their lackeys.

In what is left of our free markets, "greed" is actually a positive driving force in the process. As long as laws regarding fraud and theft are enforced, the best way to succeed is with quality, integrity and high production to cost ratios. Businesses have good reason to be at their best. They know they will be rewarded instead of punished for their growth and investments in the future.

I'm sure there are better ways to highlight the differences between capitalism and socialism, just throwing some things off the top of my head while I have my morning coffee.

But it really makes me sick that we are on the brink of making disastrously radical changes in our country and the public debate hinges on gaffes and personality.

I'd vote for the most ugly, boring, misspoken person on earth if they would fight for free markets and insist on the limited federal government specified in the constitution

[John]

hey, whose gonna buy my plane ticket to Canada? :eek:

[Pooraffiliate]

Were the Bin Ladens that Bush knew, terrorists? Did he launch his campaign from their living room? Did they ghost write his first book?

Anyways, this junk being thrown around about all the candidates is secondary to the biggest issue in my mind. The country has been heading toward increasing socialism (http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/gov_philosophy/socialism_still_a_failure.htm), causing our economic and cultural decline regardless of which party may be in power. Problems are blamed on greedy capitalists and and we are given more of the "oversight" and redistribution of wealth that caused the problem in the first place.

Greed is a given within any economic system. Many will always be tempted to get more, sometimes even more than what they may deserve in a deal.

In the socialist components of our society, greed is a drag on our economy. Politicians buying votes with special handouts, viewing any wealth as belonging to the government to spread around to their constituents who vote for who will grab the most for them from the high achievers. Any new bill is seen as something to tack on kickbacks for political allies, new jobs for friends and family who then grab as much of the budget as they can. Government run enterprises cost as much as seven times what it would in the private sector as employees exist outside the impact of competition, instead focusing on how much money and benefits they can get out the situation, with no real incentive for cutting costs. Businesses fear reinvesting or getting too big, since more and more is taken from them by the greedy politicians and their lackeys.

In what is left of our free markets, "greed" is actually a positive driving force in the process. As long as laws regarding fraud and theft are enforced, the best way to succeed is with quality, integrity and high production to cost ratios. Businesses have good reason to be at their best. They know they will be rewarded instead of punished for their growth and investments in the future.

I'm sure there are better ways to highlight the differences between capitalism and socialism, just throwing some things off the top of my head while I have my morning coffee.

But it really makes me sick that we are on the brink of making disastrously radical changes in our country and the public debate hinges on gaffes and personality.

I'd vote for the most ugly, boring, misspoken person on earth if they would fight for free markets and insist on the limited federal government specified in the constitution


Toobad ron paul is gone huh? haha

[Jazzylee77]

Toobad ron paul is gone huh? haha

Too bad any of the other republican candidates are gone. Here is another argument against mob rule. There was a wealth of decent conservative candidates, so the conservative vote was split among them, leaving the party with McCain. It might make sense for a party to narrow the field a bit before going to primaries.

[rufus]

Rufus, you're a jackass. You're basically forwarding something that someone else posted in a forum. Where was THEIR valid source?

Now, you want proof for Bush's association? Please.

*Some* people will look for any reason not to like Obama...even if it isn't true.

Ummm you can easily Google any of the posters statements and see the links in Google. I cant do that with her statements so I was just wondering where they came from so I can read them and what was said. Thats a bad thing ??

[GREGO]

Rufus Rufus Rufus

it is too little too late, nobody cares about these trivial things anymore. What the american people care about right now is how were going to fix the Economy, how were going to become oil independent, and how were going to make medical care affordable for average people. This is what the Obama campain is focusing on. The very fact that Mccain is resorting to these racially motivated attacks on Obama just shows how his priorities are not straight, and thats exactly why he is not the right man to be president.

Who cares about this petty crap from Obama's past. What we need to care about is right now, and who is the better man for fixing this economical crisis. The last thing we need is distractions as trivial and unimportant as the topics you have posted in this thread.

Mccain needs to work at gaining the trust of the American people instead of trying to cause the American people to distrust Obama. He needs to do this quickly because time is running out and I think we all know Obama has the advantage right now.

[chprosites]

This doesn't look like a problem.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/calculator/index.html

[Jazzylee77]

What the american people care about right now is how were going to fix the Economy, how were going to become oil independent, and how were going to make medical care affordable for average people. This is what the Obama campain is focusing on.

Well duh yeah. And sure that is what Obama is selling as well as McCain. But what really works? And what will either really do? Pelosi is already spilling the beans that they plan to roll back the offshore drilling.

And Obama and the dems have spun along with the media so much that kit's no wonder the public is short on the actual facts.

(Some bits from a Thomas Sowell piece follow)

It raises the question: Do facts matter? Or is Obama's rhetoric and the media's spin enough to make facts irrelevant?

Fact Number One: It was liberal Democrats, led by Senator Christopher Dodd and Congressman Barney Frank, who for years-- including the present year-- denied that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were taking big risks that could lead to a financial crisis.

It was Senator Dodd, Congressman Frank and other liberal Democrats who for years refused requests from the Bush administration to set up an agency to regulate Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

It was liberal Democrats, again led by Dodd and Frank, who for years pushed for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to go even further in promoting subprime mortgage loans, which are at the heart of today's financial crisis.

Alan Greenspan warned them four years ago. So did the Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers to the President. So did Bush's Secretary of the Treasury, five years ago.

Yet, today, what are we hearing? That it was the Bush administration "right-wing ideology" of "de-regulation" that set the stage for the financial crisis. Do facts matter?

We also hear that it is the free market that is to blame. But the facts show that it was the government that pressured financial institutions in general to lend to subprime borrowers, with such things as the Community Reinvestment Act and, later, threats of legal action by then Attorney General Janet Reno if the feds did not like the statistics on who was getting loans and who wasn't.

Is that the free market? Or do facts not matter?

The very fact that Mccain is resorting to these racially motivated attacks on Obama just shows how his priorities are not straight, and thats exactly why he is not the right man to be president.

What racially motivated attacks?

Who cares about this petty crap from Obama's past.

Not sure what exact crap from his past you are referring to, but when his associations, his own words, and his actions and votes add up to him being a Marxist... I care about that.


Mccain needs to work at gaining the trust of the American people instead of trying to cause the American people to distrust Obama. He needs to do this quickly because time is running out and I think we all know Obama has the advantage right now.

Speaking strictly politically, I think you need to do both, put forth your positive message and criticize your opponent, to get elected; and in reality, McCain has done comparatively little to highlight Obama's shortcomings.

[rufus]

Rufus Rufus Rufus

it is too little too late, nobody cares about these trivial things anymore. What the american people care about right now is how were going to fix the Economy, how were going to become oil independent, and how were going to make medical care affordable for average people. This is what the Obama campain is focusing on. The very fact that Mccain is resorting to these racially motivated attacks on Obama just shows how his priorities are not straight, and thats exactly why he is not the right man to be president.

Who cares about this petty crap from Obama's past. What we need to care about is right now, and who is the better man for fixing this economical crisis. The last thing we need is distractions as trivial and unimportant as the topics you have posted in this thread.

Mccain needs to work at gaining the trust of the American people instead of trying to cause the American people to distrust Obama. He needs to do this quickly because time is running out and I think we all know Obama has the advantage right now.

They may seem petty to you but not for alot of Americans. Making sure your candidate is even qualified to run should bother you for if you dont know this or even look into it just means you will vote for someone on their words alone.

I call these people Kool Aid drinkers. Look if Obama didnt have such a past and so many unanswered questions I might even vote for the guy but he wont release any information about himself but yet expects and wants me to vote for him when hell I dont even know him other then what he says.

You do as you please but I myself like to do some homework on someone before I elect them into the highest office in the land. And for said person to keep all his info away from the public and then even try to block having to show his actual Birth Certificate to a Judge. Something is up cause if there wasnt he wouldnt hire all these big time Lawyers to try to stop being forced to produce it.