Why would young people vote for any Republican?

[UnTipoLoco]

In talking to a friends friend today I found out she
she was inclined to vote for McCain. I asked her
why? "because I liked the things he said in his speech.."
she said...I told her " give me 5 minutes and then tell me
afterwards if your still gonna vote for him" she said "FINE"
::Below is most of the conversation::

ME: Do you know what the word conservative means?
SHE: No! why don't you tell me!

ME: Well im sure you know, but let's see what Bush, McCain
Palin, and the rest of the Republicans would have you believe.
they make no bones about the fact that they are CONSERVATIVES
Right? well is a 2008 conservative more liberal than a 1938 conservative?
I will argue with you that perhaps they are, and that is because Progressive people
have imposed it on them, not them on themselves or us, because clearly
a 1938 conservative would want slaves catering to his every whim,
clearly a 1938 conservative would not want women to vote, clearly
a 1938 conservative would not want women in the job market competing
for jobs and pay with men, because clearly when John McCain is telling you
on camera that he is a conservative, he is obviously telling you, me and women
that he stands for Conserving Slavery, Conserving the right of not
letting women vote, conserving the right of things to stay the same they were
in 1938. because after all
he is a conservative, which means preserve
things as they are, and if things had not changed because of progressives,
they would still be as they were in 1938.

ME: Do you care about homosexuals, if they get married or not, does that
matter to you?
SHE: No, it does'nt make a difference to me, let them do whatever they
want with their lives.

ME: Ok, Do you care if women are allowed to compete with men for jobs
and equal pay ?
SHE: Yes of course, I would want equal pay.
ME: Ok, good so do I

ME: Do you believe the abolition of slavery was good?
SHE: yes of course
ME: Ok, good

ME: Do you believe women should have the right to vote,
that women should have a right to do what they decide with their
bodies?
SHE: yes

ME: OK, well John McCain believes things should stay as they were in 1938
where you would not be allowed to vote, to get paid equally, blacks not
have equal rights and homosexuals should be put in insane assylums.
he would clearly say NO, to all that if you were to ask him, but he
after all says he is a conservative and what's the difference between a 1938
conservative and 2008 conservative? Liberals / Progressives have been in office
a couple of times in between 1938 and 2008, otherwise could you imagine what
things would still be like if they had CONSERVED things as they were in 1938?

She will now vote for Obama :popcorn:

[anel]

Unlike most peopel my age, i read up on the issues i know what's going on and i anit even a complete cizten in the usa! /has a green card haha. i'm bosnia if you watn to know lol. And i'm obama all the way. Frist off there saying obama dosent know what to do but palin is like 10x wrose then him! I wont go into anymore atm ;d

[marshall_26]

That's a bit bias isn't it ;)

I personally will not be voting at all, I can't bring myself to vote for anyone this time.

[GREGO]

I am liberal all the way. I'm certainly voting for Obama

although I don't think the republicans are as evil as your portray them to be.

[oh! rochelle.]

I'm voting for Obama. I just hope that if he does win, we are all right about him.

[anel]

I'm voting for Obama. I just hope that if he does win, we are all right about him.

That's what i'm worried about, What if he dosent live up to his promise's?

[GREGO]

That's what i'm worried about, What if he dosent live up to his promise's?

just look at it this way, he can't be any worse than Bush or McCain :batman:

[Andrew2]

He won't lol but at least what he does would be better than McCain.

[strawberryswirl]

What if he dosent live up to his promise's?

He's a politician...don't get your hopes up! That's like Bush Sr. saying "no new taxes", look how well that worked out!

[Compu]

That's what i'm worried about, What if he dosent live up to his promise's?

That is a very valid concern. Who really knows what he will do? His short term record isn't much to stand on.

----

I am a registered republican. I am pro choice / pro union / and pro equality. I say think outside of the box! ;)

[strawberryswirl]

You're the craziest republican I've ever run into! How is it you can be registered and hold such liberal beliefs?

[rufus]

Though I disagree with the Poster of the thread heres a good read about the true definition and the difference. Its non-bias to either party also.

http://www.conservative-resources.com/liberal-vs-conservative.html





Definition of Conservative
http://www.conservative-resources.com/definition-of-conservative.html

Definition of Liberal
http://www.conservative-resources.com/definition-of-liberal.html

[barcodeunit]

" Why would young people vote for any Republican?"

same reason why half the country votes republican.
:cool2:

[Sergio]

Pft, your comparison makes very little sense, and this is coming from a Democrat.

She will now vote for Obama
Job well done!

You should be so proud of yourself. You just convinced an adult who doesn't know what conservative means. Bravo! I could have convinced her that Chuck Norris was running for president and is going to put gatorade in all public water fountains, and she would have believed it.

[adam]

I wont be voting for anyone, because i am not of age!

>:O

:winkiss:

[zodiac01]

nobody cares.
nobody will be there for you.
nobody tells the truth.
nobody wants to help you.
nobody puts you before themself.
nobody can lower taxes
nobody can make a difference!
nobody knows what to do.

VOTE FOR NOBODY!

:death:

[adam]

nobody cares.
nobody will be there for you.
nobody tells the truth.
nobody wants to help you.
nobody puts you before themself.
nobody can lower taxes
nobody can make a difference!
nobody knows what to do.

VOTE FOR NOBODY!

:death:

well put rick. :balloon:

[John]

nobody cares.
nobody will be there for you.
nobody tells the truth.
nobody wants to help you.
nobody puts you before themself.
nobody can lower taxes
nobody can make a difference!
nobody knows what to do.

VOTE FOR NOBODY!

:death:



there we go.. :batman:

[minnseoelite]

I vote Democrat simply because Republicans are for big business and the wealthy no matter what they say. The primary belief of a republican politician is the "trickle down theory" to run the economy, that means they believe by giving a majority of the tax breaks and incentives to big business and the wealthy the extra money will stimulate the economy and "trickle down" to the lower and middle class people. F*ck that I don't want whatever trickles down and is left over from those with too much money to begin with.

The belief of Democratic politicians how ever is the opposite, that the economy is best run by giving the lower and middle class workers the most tax breaks and incentives and that the larger consumer pool of lower and middle class workers will spend more money overall on basic everyday needs thus driving the economy forward.

I may not be exact with the "trickle down theory" but you can Google it and look it up, honestly it has to be the dumbest theory ever and was obviously created by rich republicans :P Here is a little quote from this theory on Wilki "Proponents argue economic growth flows down from the top to the bottom"......Hmmm really I've always been told that if something is starting at the top and going down it's sinking....like our economy

[JordanSDMF]

I am not voting, because I am only 15, but I would vote for Obama. It's not because my parents are democrats, or because I'm from Chicago, it's because I have seen most of his speeches, and the debates and such, and I just think Obama has better views, and he has better ways to improve the nation.

And I think most republicans I have been seeing lately are all saying the same thing, and I just don't like it. I see democrats as more peaceful people. Like hippies. I think Obama has the majority of the hippie population.

[rufus]

I vote Democrat simply because Republicans are for big business and the wealthy no matter what they say. The primary belief of a republican politician is the "trickle down theory" to run the economy, that means they believe by giving a majority of the tax breaks and incentives to big business and the wealthy the extra money will stimulate the economy and "trickle down" to the lower and middle class people. F*ck that I don't want whatever trickles down and is left over from those with too much money to begin with.

The belief of Democratic politicians how ever is the opposite, that the economy is best run by giving the lower and middle class workers the most tax breaks and incentives and that the larger consumer pool of lower and middle class workers will spend more money overall on basic everyday needs thus driving the economy forward.

I may not be exact with the "trickle down theory" but you can Google it and look it up, honestly it has to be the dumbest theory ever and was obviously created by rich republicans :P Here is a little quote from this theory on Wilki "Proponents argue economic growth flows down from the top to the bottom"......Hmmm really I've always been told that if something is starting at the top and going down it's sinking....like our economy

I guess it depends on what you consider rich ? My brother made 94K this past year and paid over 30K in taxes alone. Thats 1/3 of his pay and thats insane. He owns a small business and the taxes he pays are unreal. The backbone of America depends on small businesses and they are getting totally hosed by taxes to the point they have had to let people go.

In my opinion he needs the tax breaks so he can create more jobs and not the guy making 20K thats gets back more then he pays in already. I mean how do you give people tax breaks that in essence dont really pay taxes cause they get back more then they pay in already.

Im sure the majority of the Dems here get money back each year and some get way more then they even paid in but still complain that they need tax breaks when they already pay nothing.....LOL

[strawberryswirl]

Some part of me feels voting is pretty much a waste of time...due to the electoral college having the control in the long run. Our voting system is over 100 years old, it's outdated. My thought: Why waste my time spending hours waiting to vote if it it really doesn't count anyways?

At the same time, I feel I need to vote, because this country is so screwed up, I have to take charge & try to do something. My other thought: I complain about what's wrong, I should do my part as an American citizen & vote.

However, this election, I can't see myself making it to the polls. McCain & Obama both have major flaws, in my opinion. Granted, I'd probably just about die if McCain made it to office. Obama worries me because some of his ideas are a bit extreme, and I just don't think he's ready for the presidency. Eitherway, I think regardless of who wins, there's going to be some down sides...

[Andrew2]

I'm voting for Obama since I hate him less than I hate McCain, I thought this was supposed to be the attitude when there were two flops running for President? You don't just NOT vote, You vote for the lesser of the two evils.

[strawberryswirl]

And originally that's what I thought...vote for the one who will f*ck up less than the other.

But I can't see myself giving someone I don't support my vote...

[minnseoelite]

I guess it depends on what you consider rich ? My brother made 94K this past year and paid over 30K in taxes alone. Thats 1/3 of his pay and thats insane. He owns a small business and the taxes he pays are unreal. The backbone of America depends on small businesses and they are getting totally hosed by taxes to the point they have had to let people go.

In my opinion he needs the tax breaks so he can create more jobs and not the guy making 20K thats gets back more then he pays in already. I mean how do you give people tax breaks that in essence dont really pay taxes cause they get back more then they pay in already.

Im sure the majority of the Dems here get money back each year and some get way more then they even paid in but still complain that they need tax breaks when they already pay nothing.....LOL

really he only made 64k after taxes last year....i feel so sorry for him rofl. rich does not necessarily mean "rich", anyone that takes home more then the average 35k a year job deserves to have higher taxes but mostly I'm against giving breaks to those making over $250k a year as McCain would like to do, they make more they can pay out more. and the lower class people say "i get it all back" but in reality unless you have a few kids you don't. if you have no kids you get next to nothing back, one kid like i have and you get all your federal back but not your state taxes or FICA or SS so you don't really get it all back. now maybe with 2 kids and the extra $1k break you'll break completely even.

i'm not saying everyone shouldn't pay taxes regardless of income but i think those that need it most should get more breaks, it hurts the person making 20k a year more to lose out on a $2k tax break then it does for someone making $250k a year to lose out on a $25k tax break (honestly do you think they are going to suffer cause they only took home $200k instead of $225k? i would rather give a tax break to a lower income family so they can feed their kid then give it to a wealthy business owner that may or may not use it to create more jobs, the government did give big business huge tax breaks over the last few years and now there are less jobs and higher unemployment rates then in the last 10 years, so giving the corporations the tax breaks obviously does not work.

[i r jordan]

here are the things they promise.

what obama promises. (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/29/obama.promises/index.html)

what mccain promises. (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/29/obama.promises/index.html)

i found those on cnn right after the rnc.

i have them bookmarked, for reference. :D

[Kasami2k4]

same link twice ;/

[vcff]

Well Obviously Most of you are in the lower tax bracket and nothing that Obama or any Liberal will do will Affect you...

I personally already pay a **** load of taxes and Would rather not have more of my money given to the gov. to help you pay less or have more...

80% of anyone who makes alot of money or owns their own business would never vote for a Liberal Democrat!

Taxation suicide.....

VCFF

[barcodeunit]

hilarious.

"OK, well John McCain believes things should stay as they were in 1938
where you would not be allowed to vote, to get paid equally, blacks not
have equal rights and homosexuals should be put in insane assylums.
he would clearly say NO, to all that if you were to ask him, but he
after all says he is a conservative and what's the difference between a 1938
conservative and 2008 conservative? Liberals / Progressives have been in office
a couple of times in between 1938 and 2008, otherwise could you imagine what
things would still be like if they had CONSERVED things as they were in 1938?"

is liberals like you that give the democrats a bad name.

conserving slavery in 1938? slavery was abolished in the 1860's. by a REPUBLICAN president. OMG OMG OMG OMG

jesus christ some people should really refrain from posting on these forums.

[Sara]

ME: Do you believe the abolition of slavery was good?
SHE: yes of course
ME: Ok, good


I really think you need to look up the word republican.

[Sara]

hilarious.
jesus christ some people should really refrain from posting on these forums.

Bingo. rofl

[i r jordan]

here are the things they promise.

what obama promises. (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/29/obama.promises/index.html)

what mccain promises. (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/29/obama.promises/index.html)

i found those on cnn right after the rnc.

i have them bookmarked, for reference. :D

mccain:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/05/mccain.highlights/index.html

[GREGO]

Bingo. rofl
^^ yeah, way to double post dingus

anyways,
what is it with republicans and using the word liberal like it's such an insult

too much fox news or something?

btw did yall catch Obama on Bill Orielly?

what'd yall think?

[i r jordan]

i didn't catch obama on orielly.
did you see mccain on the view?
i thought that was intense.
they "grilled" him.

his wife did answer some questions very sternly though.
haha.

[Andrew2]

http://whitenoiseinsanity.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/georgebushjohnmccainhugging.jpg http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/files/2008/05/bush-mccain.jpg

http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/040311/040311_hmed_mccainbush_10a.hmedium.jpg
http://www.politickeraz.com/files/politickeraz/images/mccain_bush.jpg
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Sections/Newsweek/Components/Photos/mag/011103_Special/041105_Ch4BushMccain_hd.hmedium.jpg

[rufus]

the government did give big business huge tax breaks over the last few years and now there are less jobs and higher unemployment rates then in the last 10 years, so giving the corporations the tax breaks obviously does not work.

The majority of Americans are employees of small business owners not big corp. Saying those tax breaks you speak of refer to Big Business we cant say it doesnt work cause the small business owner doesnt get those tax breaks.

Unemployment is down cause the small business owners had to lay people off cause of the taxes they have to pay.

You cant count SS stc cause everyone has to pay them and tax breaks dont refer to them at all. Also you only pay half of those taxes cause your boss pays the other half if you have a job.

If anyone is so bad off that they have to rely on getting back more then they pay in then its time someone sits down and makes some changes on what they do for a living. If you dont wanna do it for yourself then do it for your kids.

[rufus]

hilarious.

"OK, well John McCain believes things should stay as they were in 1938
where you would not be allowed to vote, to get paid equally, blacks not
have equal rights and homosexuals should be put in insane assylums.
he would clearly say NO, to all that if you were to ask him, but he
after all says he is a conservative and what's the difference between a 1938
conservative and 2008 conservative? Liberals / Progressives have been in office
a couple of times in between 1938 and 2008, otherwise could you imagine what
things would still be like if they had CONSERVED things as they were in 1938?"

is liberals like you that give the democrats a bad name.

conserving slavery in 1938? slavery was abolished in the 1860's. by a REPUBLICAN president. OMG OMG OMG OMG

jesus christ some people should really refrain from posting on these forums.

So So true barcodeunit


The party was born in the early 1850s by anti-slavery activists and individuals who believed that government should grant western lands to settlers free of charge. The first informal meeting of the party took place in Ripon, Wisconsin, a small town northwest of Milwaukee. The first official Republican meeting took place on July 6, 1854 in Jackson, Michigan. The name "Republican" was chosen because it alluded to equality and reminded individuals of Thomas Jefferson's Democratic-Republican Party. At the Jackson convention, the new party adopted a platform and nominated candidates for office in Michigan. Since its inception, its chief opposition has been the Democratic Party.

Also as a side note Martin Luther King was a Republican.

[babydoll]

it simply says the higher the taxes for the rich people who has a business the smaller job would be open

and that would cause a higher unemployment

and the one who will suffer this are those people in the middle class also:(

so we will gonna all be suffer on the tax issue not only the rich people

you will think you wouldn't be affect on this because your income cme from the internet how about your family
that relying on those company sooner or later if the high tax payment implement they need to cut off there explenses
and we pray that one of our family member will not be getting layed off

and maybe also all of the thing that we will gonna buy our food, our cothing and everything the price will gonna be increase or sadly doubled


so i think the tax issue has a positive and negative

[Mimi]

Yeah, slavery was abolished in the 1860s but the lynchings, "****** barbecues" (where they burned Blacks alive), etc did not stop and hardly anything was being done to stop it. Just had to put that out there lol.

Anywhos, even if I disliked both candidates, I don't think I could just bring myself to not voting at all :no:.

I'm voting for Obama. No, I don't think he'll live up to all of his promises but honestly, no politician does. Politicians tell you what you want to hear, but I think Obama will at least put forth an effort. McCain is too much like Bush, and we don't need another Bush running this country.

[Nora]

Can't vote because I don't even live there but I believe McCain's promises are much more realistic than those of Obama. I do think Obama would be better at preventing a new world war. What Bush is doing and Mccain supports pretty much comes down to risking the lives of their army for no real reason.

[Compu]

really he only made 64k after taxes last year....i feel so sorry for him rofl. rich does not necessarily mean "rich", anyone that takes home more then the average 35k a year job deserves to have higher taxes but mostly I'm against giving breaks to those making over $250k a year as McCain would like to do, they make more they can pay out more. and the lower class people say "i get it all back" but in reality unless you have a few kids you don't. if you have no kids you get next to nothing back, one kid like i have and you get all your federal back but not your state taxes or FICA or SS so you don't really get it all back. now maybe with 2 kids and the extra $1k break you'll break completely even.

i'm not saying everyone shouldn't pay taxes regardless of income but i think those that need it most should get more breaks, it hurts the person making 20k a year more to lose out on a $2k tax break then it does for someone making $250k a year to lose out on a $25k tax break (honestly do you think they are going to suffer cause they only took home $200k instead of $225k? i would rather give a tax break to a lower income family so they can feed their kid then give it to a wealthy business owner that may or may not use it to create more jobs, the government did give big business huge tax breaks over the last few years and now there are less jobs and higher unemployment rates then in the last 10 years, so giving the corporations the tax breaks obviously does not work.

I'm curious, so you think that because I have started my own company and worked endless hours to build it up ... I should be taxed heavier to support those that haven't worked as hard? ... If so, I encourage you to move to Canada!

I personally believe the entire income tax system is flawed. With the amount of non-registered Americans living here and trying to "bracket" income ... we really should have a flat sales tax. That way every American is equal, after all ... that is what everyone wants?

I will never be a democrat as I just cannot support those views on government.

[Andrew2]

Usually people who own businesses and have a majority of employees are wealthy and not in poverty. The poor need every cent they need to survive in the ever failing economy. Those earning a large salary should be taxed more than those who struggly day by day wondering if they're going to have a place a live next month as opposed to the rich deciding which color lamborghini they should get next week. :) I understand small businesses would have a hard time with this since they're paying other salaries but for the wealthy company owners they can afford a few more taxes, that tax money could go for universal health coverage and other great programs.

[prodigyweb]

hmm, maybe I voted republican b/c Ron Paul had the best understanding on how to be president. Hate to break it to you all... McCain and Obama are one in the same... going to do nothing for us. As for Obamas ideas lets be honest he has to get them approved #1. So all this promising is not going to hold up.

[Compu]

Usually people who own businesses and have a majority of employees are wealthy and not in poverty. The poor need every cent they need to survive in the ever failing economy. Those earning a large salary should be taxed more than those who struggly day by day wondering if they're going to have a place a live next month as opposed to the rich deciding which color lamborghini they should get next week. :) I understand small businesses would have a hard time with this since they're paying other salaries but for the wealthy company owners they can afford a few more taxes, that tax money could go for universal health coverage and other great programs.

I still don't understand how you can justify charging a company a higher tax because they are able to have the "american dream". Just because they can "afford" it doesn't mean that they should have to pay it.

[Andrew2]

I know, it's not fair in any sense... but if millionaires and billionaires could just pay a couple extra thousand in taxes it could go a long way. Or only tax those who do not donate. The rich get richer as the poor grow poorer, That's not the American dream at all. It really is a giant loop though, I'm basing my decision for this election on environmental and animal issues since nothing else is as black and white.

[rufus]

Andrew the top 50% of wage earners in the US already pay 97.1% of all Federal taxes. The bottom 50% only pay 2.99% of all Federal taxes. How much more do you want.

That bottom 50% are people that make less then $31,987

Those are 2006 figures.
http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=6

Also Major Companies dont run the US jobs. Its the Small business that supplies most of the jobs within the US and they are being hammered with taxes to the point they have had to lay people off cause they cant afford to pay the taxes and when that happens someone has to go. My brother isnt Rich and he damn near kills himself working endless hours. He put himself through school and then took a chance on his own company and made it work with hard work. Because of the taxes he had to let 4 people go this year.

He took the chance not the guy making 20K a year. The guy making 20K a year sits back and benefits from my brother taking a chance and making it work. The American Dream isnt redistibution of wealth its taking a chance and putting your neck on the line to make something work. The American Dream is there for whoever wants it but you have to go after it to get it. Not stay stuck in a 20K a yr job and then do nothing more.

[strawberryswirl]

The more you make, the more they take. And that's the way it should be. Why should we give people rolling around in money a break? It's not like it's KILLING them. Then again, why would we tax low income people more? Obviously, they can't afford it...

[Compu]

Andrew the top 50% of wage earners in the US already pay 97.1% of all Federal taxes. The bottom 50% only pay 2.99% of all Federal taxes. How much more do you want.

That bottom 50% are people that make less then $31,987

Those are 2006 figures.
http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=6

Also Major Companies dont run the US jobs. Its the Small business that supplies most of the jobs within the US and they are being hammered with taxes to the point they have had to lay people off cause they cant afford to pay the taxes and when that happens someone has to go. My brother isnt Rich and he damn near kills himself working endless hours. He put himself through school and then took a chance on his own company and made it work with hard work. Because of the taxes he had to let 4 people go this year.

He took the chance not the guy making 20K a year. The guy making 20K a year sits back and benefits from my brother taking a chance and making it work. The American Dream isnt redistibution of wealth its taking a chance and putting your neck on the line to make something work. The American Dream is there for whoever wants it but you have to go after it to get it. Not stay stuck in a 20K a yr job and then do nothing more.

Very well said! Also, thank you for the facts! :clap:

[Sara]

I'm curious, so you think that because I have started my own company and worked endless hours to build it up ... I should be taxed heavier to support those that haven't worked as hard? ... If so, I encourage you to move to Canada!

I personally believe the entire income tax system is flawed. With the amount of non-registered Americans living here and trying to "bracket" income ... we really should have a flat sales tax. That way every American is equal, after all ... that is what everyone wants?

I will never be a democrat as I just cannot support those views on government.

I make less than 20,000 a year, work 51 hours a week and have a hard time affording a $600 a month apartment. You're telling me I need to pay more in taxes and you you work harder than I do? :?
If I paid anymore in taxes I'd be working to be homeless. You're poor me I only take home 65,000 a year can be shoved up you're *ss.

[rufus]

The more you make, the more they take. And that's the way it should be. Why should we give people rolling around in money a break? It's not like it's KILLING them. Then again, why would we tax low income people more? Obviously, they can't afford it...

The point here is that people that pay nothing in Federal Taxes cant get a tax break since they get back more then they pay already. That in itself is a break and shouldnt be happening at all. If you make so little that you get money back then you should only get what you paid in. People are screaming tax breaks for the rich and we get nothing which is BS.

What do u consider Rich ??? 100K a year isnt Rich by any means. For a person that works for 20K a year and does nothing better to market themselves then I guess that looks like alot but in reality its not saying 30% of that goes for taxes.

[Kasami2k4]

I make less than 20,000 a year, work 51 hours a week and have a hard time affording a $600 a month apartment. You're telling me I need to pay more in taxes and you you work harder than I do? :?
If I paid anymore in taxes I'd be working to be homeless. You're poor me I only take home 65,000 a year can be shoved up you're *ss.

Agreed! Its the little guys who hold the big guys up anyway. Country would crumble without them. Oh wait.. It sort of already is >.<

[rufus]

I make less than 20,000 a year, work 51 hours a week and have a hard time affording a $600 a month apartment. You're telling me I need to pay more in taxes and you you work harder than I do? :?
If I paid anymore in taxes I'd be working to be homeless. You're poor me I only take home 65,000 a year can be shoved up you're *ss.

Ok Mr 20k a year what are you doing to make a difference in your on situation about making 20K ?????????? You in school to make yourself more marketable ?

What ? Are you just riding a wave to see where things take you without doing anything for yourself ? Please enlighten us all.

And Im sure you got a nice refund this year also if you did your deductions correctly as you should of. Married ? Kids ?

If so you got more then you paid in so what are you complaining about cause if that be the case you paid zero Federal taxes but you want a tax break and you paid no taxes.....LOL this is funny.

[Kasami2k4]

Bit hard when the economy is such utter **** :l

[rufus]

Bit hard when the economy is such utter **** :l

Making 20K a year will get you many many grants and student loans out the ***.

[Sara]

I did put myself through school and am still paying back the student loan. I'm also putting myself through school again to further my education this spring.

Sounds like you were never humbled growing up. If they're weren't people living off of 20,000 a year I doubt you would have any employees.

[rufus]

I did put myself through school and am still paying back the student loan. I'm also putting myself through school again to further my education this spring.

Sounds like you were never humbled growing up. If they're weren't people living off of 20,000 a year I doubt you would have any employees.

Dude you dont walk out of HS or College making killer money. That in itself takes time. Take a chance and start a business and when you see the other side of the street you will finally understand what Im saying.

Everyone has been where you are. Myself/My Brother almost everyone.

The difference is I didnt whine about what I knew I had to do to be successful. I didnt depend on Uncle Sam or some unknown what you say Rich guy to bail my *** out. I was a man........I stood up and made a difference in my own life. Its America and you have the same opportunity as the next guy. Stop the whining and make it happen.

[Nora]

I agree with Rufus..

Taxes should be equal for everybody and you shouldn't have to pay more if you make more. People do choose not to earn much money so why should those making the money pay taxes for stupid wars and welfare while people who just stick to regular jobs have to pay less. It's not fair.. (no hard feelings anyone)

[Jazzylee77]

I vote Democrat simply because Republicans are for big business and the wealthy no matter what they say.
Democrats politicians are the actual rich elitists no matter what they say.

The primary belief of a republican politician is the "trickle down theory" to run the economy, that means they believe by giving a majority of the tax breaks and incentives to big business and the wealthy the extra money will stimulate the economy and "trickle down" to the lower and middle class people. F*ck that I don't want whatever trickles down and is left over from those with too much money to begin with.


The wealthy pay the majority of the tax...so if you are reducing taxes, it is only possible to do so with those who actually pay them.
People aren't paid with "what is left over." It's not like a biz has a bunch of slaves and they pay them as an afterthought...at least in a free economy.

The belief of Democratic politicians how ever is the opposite, that the economy is best run by giving the lower and middle class workers the most tax breaks and incentives and that the larger consumer pool of lower and middle class workers will spend more money overall on basic everyday needs thus driving the economy forward.

It's simple. The more you punish success and reward mediocrity, the less success and the more mediocrity you will have. With success comes the ability to create new wealth and reward others honest efforts. This is the real principle behind "trickle down," not the random distribution of crumbs. It is the engine that has driven the most incredible free economy the world has ever seen. One that is endangered by becoming less and less free.

I may not be exact with the "trickle down theory" but you can Google it and look it up, honestly it has to be the dumbest theory ever and was obviously created by rich republicans :P Here is a little quote from this theory on Wilki "Proponents argue economic growth flows down from the top to the bottom"......Hmmm really I've always been told that if something is starting at the top and going down it's sinking....like our economy

I'm reading similar concepts in Adam Smith's "Wealth of Nations" written in the 1700s. Hardly a creation of todays evil rich republicans.

[Sara]

Mr., Dude? Do you not see the sign by my name?

I'm not the one complaining about having to work towards my success. Even if everyone paid the same percentage of taxes, the people who make more would still pay more.
Lets say everyone paid 8% in taxes (not realistic, just a point)
8% of 20,000 = 1600
8% of 95,000 = 7600
no matter how you look at it you would still be paying more

[babydoll]

me too agreed to rufus and nora :) taxes should be equal :winkiss: cause those people who have much money they also work there a**es off to achieve what they have

[Nora]

Mr., Dude? Do you not see the sign by my name?

I'm not the one complaining about having to work towards my success. Even if everyone paid the same percentage of taxes, the people who make more would still pay more.
Lets say everyone paid 8% in taxes (not realistic, just a point)
8% of 20,000 = 1600
8% of 95,000 = 7600
no matter how you look at it you would still be paying more
Not sure what it's like in the US, but where I live people who make a normal living have to pay 40% taxes, while those making a lot of money have to pay over 60% of what they earn. It's very unfair..

[strawberryswirl]

I don't know what kind of fantasy land you're living in rufus, but you've gotta be in the same one McCain & Bush are in. "The fundamentals of our economy are strong!" BS. From the way you're presenting yourself here, you're Mr. Rich, above & mightier than the middle class. Congrats, you're amazing.

Sure, you've got money, you're probably not struggling to get by. And by struggling I don't mean you can't have Gucci suits anymore...I mean you're trying to figure out how you're going to feed your family this week. You don't seem to understand what most Americans are going through...

Too bad that most people in the US can be all work & no play, & still never reach above 30k/year! Regardless of how well they market themselves! I don't think you're looking at the big picture. Our country/economy is so screwed up, as it has been for years, it's making it especially difficult for anyone to get anywhere...

I'm not sure how good you are at keeping up with current events, but maybe you should check this out:
(Just to give you some insight on how awesome the times really are!) Click (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080915/ap_on_bi_ge/financial_meltdown)!

[rufus]

I don't know what kind of fantasy land you're living in rufus, but you've gotta be in the same one McCain & Bush are in. "The fundamentals of our economy are strong!" BS. From the way you're presenting yourself here, you're Mr. Rich, above & mightier than the middle class. Congrats, you're amazing.

Sure, you've got money, you're probably not struggling to get by. And by struggling I don't mean you can't have Gucci suits anymore...I mean you're trying to figure out how you're going to feed your family this week. You don't seem to understand what most Americans are going through...

Too bad that most people in the US can be all work & no play, & still never reach above 30k/year! Regardless of how well they market themselves! I don't think you're looking at the big picture. Our country/economy is so screwed up, as it has been for years, it's making it especially difficult for anyone to get anywhere...

I'm not sure how good you are at keeping up with current events, but maybe you should check this out:
(Just to give you some insight on how awesome the times really are!) Click (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080915/ap_on_bi_ge/financial_meltdown)!

How can you say that when we all start off with nothing. I too struggled but damn what do you do your whole life. Say you cant do it ? Thats insane.

[strawberryswirl]

I'm not saying people can't reach those goals...I'm saying that our economy sucks, and it's damn near impossible to get anywhere...anytime soon!

[rufus]

Mr., Dude? Do you not see the sign by my name?

I'm not the one complaining about having to work towards my success. Even if everyone paid the same percentage of taxes, the people who make more would still pay more.
Lets say everyone paid 8% in taxes (not realistic, just a point)
8% of 20,000 = 1600
8% of 95,000 = 7600
no matter how you look at it you would still be paying more

Do away with all taxes and only tax people for what they buy. No more IRS and what you pay is gone. No refunds.

[rufus]

I'm not saying people can't reach those goals...I'm saying that our economy sucks, and it's damn near impossible to get anywhere...anytime soon!

Just saying that will get you nowhere. You give up on yourself way to easy hun.

Look at Shoemoney.....From nothing to millionaire in 4 years. If he gave up he to would be here in this thread.

[John]

these political threads/posts are starting to get annoying..

[strawberryswirl]

I haven't given up on myself...but thanks for assuming so. I have great dreams for myself, and I'm doing everything in my ability to get there. However, when there's no jobs and gas is unbelievably high...it makes it kinda hard to get anywhere, let alone reaching your goals. Most people that are lucky enough to have a job are working to pay for gas! If they're really lucky, they might have a little left over towards bills...

[strawberryswirl]

these political threads/posts are starting to get annoying..

They always do...that's why I've said many times they don't belong in a business forum! Because someone always argues with someone else! For me, having these threads here is like fighting a crack habit...I love to argue, despite thinking these controversial threads shouldn't be here. And sometimes, I just can't resist...

[rufus]

They always do...that's why I've said many times they don't belong in a business forum! Because someone always argues with someone else! For me, having these threads here is like fighting a crack habit...I love to argue, despite thinking these controversial threads shouldn't be here. And sometimes, I just can't resist...

Well Im not arguing with anyone. Im trying to show and tell you that you can do it cause anyone can. There are hurdles in life for everyone. Some are higher then others but that doesnt mean they cant be jumped over.

[GREGO]

Do away with all taxes and only tax people for what they buy. No more IRS and what you pay is gone. No refunds.


yeah that's a great idea! We'll do away with schools, road systems, libraries and everything else funded by government taxes.

the title of this thread is why would any young people vote republican. why you even ventured into this thread with your crap is beyond me. and I don't understand why you accuse anyone else of whining in this thread, the only one whining is you.

[Nora]

I haven't given up on myself...but thanks for assuming so. I have great dreams for myself, and I'm doing everything in my ability to get there. However, when there's no jobs and gas is unbelievably high...it makes it kinda hard to get anywhere, let alone reaching your goals. Most people that are lucky enough to have a job are working to pay for gas! If they're really lucky, they might have a little left over towards bills...
I know this is a little off-topic but don't let the current economy bring you down. People managed to get through the first economic crisis and I'm sure people can get through this one too. Situations may not be ideal but saying that it's hard to get anywhere is only going to make it harder for you. Try to stay positive. Somehow things always fall into place whenever something is wrong so don't give up. :)

[rufus]

yeah that's a great idea! We'll do away with schools, road systems, libraries and everything else funded by government taxes.

the title of this thread is why would any young people vote republican. why you even ventured into this thread with your crap is beyond me. and I don't understand why you accuse anyone else of whining in this thread, the only one whining is you.

Why you come in here and contribute nothing as usual is expected. Go read the Book Fair Tax by Neil Boortz.

I knew I would have to break things down for you Grego but its ok now you will understand fully what I mean...

Read the link..

http://www.fairtax.org/PDF/ReviewOfTheFairTaxBookKorves.pdf

Also do you ever contribute anything in this section of the forums other then your unfounded words of so called wisdom. Im sure your statement above has helped alot of people here...

Heres alittle from the book...

The FairTax plan includes a “prebate” to protect all Americans from paying taxes on necessities. The prebate is a monthly check sent to all qualified households to pay the sales tax on necessities based on the federal government’s poverty level guidelines used for qualification for various government programs. In 2006, each family of four would receive a monthly prebate check of $506 per month based on an annual family consumption allowance of $26,400 per year. Each household would report to their state of residence1 the Social Security numbers of all people in the household to determine the amount of the prebate.

[Jazzylee77]

yeah that's a great idea! We'll do away with schools, road systems, libraries and everything else funded by government taxes.

the title of this thread is why would any young people vote republican. why you even ventured into this thread with your crap is beyond me. and I don't understand why you accuse anyone else of whining in this thread, the only one whining is you.

Actually there is a great plan called the Fair Tax that is a consumption tax. First eliminates all other Federal taxes. While the rate is set to keep revenue equal with current rates. The benefits are immense; foreign investments here would skyrocket. Plus something they call a "prebate" means low income households would in effect pay no federal taxes.

As for the thread title, young people would only vote republican if they had taken the time and energy to understand conservatives arguments and economic theories. Something I did not do till an older age.

It's perfectly understandable why liberalism appeals to younger generations, then they drift to the right with life's lessons. Liberalism is promises to take care of you and blames things on the big guys who supposedly hate the environment and aren't giving you enough of their money.

Young conservatives swim against the emotional tide of pop culture, media and government schools; instead seeing the virtues of economic freedom and the power of each individual to improve the world around them in a society where your efforts are justly rewarded.

[Jazzylee77]

Go read the Book Fair Tax by Neil Boortz.

beat me to it! :)

[GREGO]

Why you come in here and contribute nothing as usual is expected. Go read the Book Fair Tax by Neil Boortz.

I knew I would have to break things down for you Grego but its ok now you will understand fully what I mean...

Read the link..

http://www.fairtax.org/PDF/ReviewOfTheFairTaxBookKorves.pdf

Also do you ever contribute anything in this section of the forums other then your unfounded words of so called wisdom. Im sure your statement above has helped alot of people here...

Heres alittle from the book...


I don't know if the fair tax really is fair. Sounds like a nice break for business owners while consumers get nailed for buying your products.

why should your customers have to contribute to your tax burden?

while I agree this would help bring alot of production back to the US where it needs to be, I don't think this would at all benefit the little guy, and for now, thats who I am.

[rufus]

beat me to it! :)

LOL at least were on the same page here but anyone can Google it and read more on it. Its a Great Idea and would work more so then anything else including our current tax system.

[rufus]

I don't know if the fair tax really is fair. Sounds like a nice break for business owners while consumers get nailed for buying your products.

why should your customers have to contribute to your tax burden?

while I agree this would help bring alot of production back to the US where it needs to be, I don't think this would at all benefit the little guy, and for now, thats who I am.

It would benefit you cause you would get a check every freaking month. Business in America and jobs would skyrocket. Companies would be outsorcing from other countries to the US INSTEAD OF VICE VERSA. Also the cost of goods would go down cause the taxes that Big companies pay wouldnt be passed down to the consumer as its done now.

[barcodeunit]

rufus.. its pointless to try and put any type of common sense on a liberal. they just don't get it. also, most of them aren't even educated. look at the entertainment business for example. 99% of them claim to know what they are talking about, but they haven't even had an education in politics. its pointless.

[rufus]

rufus.. its pointless to try and put any type of common sense on a liberal. they just don't get it. also, most of them aren't even educated. look at the entertainment business for example. 99% of them claim to know what they are talking about, but they haven't even had an education in politics. its pointless.

Well if just 1 of them see the light then I guess its all worth it. But then again who knows. I gotta go for now but will be back on later to read the bashes to me as usual.....LOL

[barcodeunit]

this country is based on a free market. if you're lazy, uneducated, or just plain stupid, well then, enjoy the struggle. it sucks, we all know that. i've been there, my family as been there.

everyone in this country regardless of race or sex has an equal opportunity to become successful.

if you feel that the struggling should receive some sort of compensation, well then, i'd recommend leaving the country. go to china.. everyone bascially receives the same income no matter how lazy, stupid, smart, or motivated you are. boy thats fair.

its also fair that your kid is taken away from your family because the government feels that the child has long legs and should be put into the gymnast program, regardless of what the family thinks.

[Jazzylee77]

this country is based on a free market. if you're lazy, uneducated, or just plain stupid, well then, enjoy the struggle. it sucks, we all know that. i've been there, my family as been there.

everyone in this country regardless of race or sex has an equal opportunity to become successful.

if you feel that the struggling should receive some sort of compensation, well then, i'd recommend leaving the country. go to china.. everyone bascially receives the same income no matter how lazy, stupid, smart, or motivated you are. boy thats fair.

its also fair that your kid is taken away from your family because the government feels that the child has long legs and should be put into the gymnast program, regardless of what the family thinks.

ooh you left out the outright slaughter of excessive children. Everyone must have an equally small family.

[strawberryswirl]

rufus.. its pointless to try and put any type of common sense on a liberal. they just don't get it. also, most of them aren't even educated. look at the entertainment business for example. 99% of them claim to know what they are talking about, but they haven't even had an education in politics. its pointless.

Ouch...........

[GREGO]

this country is based on a free market. if you're lazy, uneducated, or just plain stupid, well then, enjoy the struggle. it sucks, we all know that. i've been there, my family as been there.

everyone in this country regardless of race or sex has an equal opportunity to become successful.

if you feel that the struggling should receive some sort of compensation, well then, i'd recommend leaving the country. go to china.. everyone bascially receives the same income no matter how lazy, stupid, smart, or motivated you are. boy thats fair.

its also fair that your kid is taken away from your family because the government feels that the child has long legs and should be put into the gymnast program, regardless of what the family thinks.

now why would I want to leave the country? It's looking like those damn liberals are going to get into the white house this year!

now your saying that all of those that don't make a whole lot of money are just lazy and stupid? Dude, you are acting like your above everyone else that makes less money than you. I don't care how much you have to pay for your taxes, sorry thats just the truth, I could care less, we poor stupid folk have enough on our plates to worry about.

[rufus]

now why would I want to leave the country? It's looking like those damn liberals are going to get into the white house this year!

now your saying that all of those that don't make a whole lot of money are just lazy and stupid? Dude, you are acting like your above everyone else that makes less money than you. I don't care how much you have to pay for your taxes, sorry thats just the truth, I could care less, we poor stupid folk have enough on our plates to worry about.

I dont think is talking to you in general but if you dont find or seek or try to find a solution to your own issues then he is talking to you. If all you do for yourself is have a pity party then why do you expect someone to help you when you are unwilling to even help yourself.

Make a difference in yourself Grego and spare us the poor poor me stuff. Like we all havent been there before. Come on.

[babydoll]

this is not issues of poor people and rich people
what ever angle this tax issue will gonna affect us
ethier your in the upper or middle class


maybe much better to ask your parent or relative how can affect us since my parent explain to me what would be the worst scenario having a high tax for the rich people

-jobs open will be decrease because they will gonna outsource to cut off expenses


-some company passes some of their taxes like what i've said before maybe are food, clothing, ect prices will go up

even you pay less taxes but your salary is the same and when everthing prices goes up because of this tax issue so yeah that would affect you isn't it


this is not personal or anything but that just my point of view :winkiss:

[GREGO]

I dont think is talking to you in general but if you dont find or seek or try to find a solution to your own issues then he is talking to you. If all you do for yourself is have a pity party then why do you expect someone to help you when you are unwilling to even help yourself.

Make a difference in yourself Grego and spare us the poor poor me stuff. Like we all havent been there before. Come on.

dude, when did I complain about where I am? never. I'm young, I just graduated from college and soon I'm going to land that killer job that gets me a decent home and life. Believe me, I have plans for my future, but just because I am liberal and don't make alot of money doesn't mean I want to throw a pity party or that I'm just to lazy to make a better life for myself.

[minnseoelite]

this is not issues of poor people and rich people
what ever angle this tax issue will gonna affect us
ethier your in the upper or middle class


maybe much better to ask your parent or relative how can affect us since my parent explain to me what would be the worst scenario having a high tax for the rich people

-jobs open will be decrease because they will gonna outsource to cut off expenses


-some company passes some of their taxes like what i've said before maybe are food, clothing, ect prices will go up

even you pay less taxes but your salary is the same and when everthing prices goes up because of this tax issue so yeah that would affect you isn't it


this is not personal or anything but that just my point of view :winkiss:

so your saying they should cut taxes for those already making way more money then what they need but raise the taxes for those that can barely feed their families. the lower and middle classes can barely afford to keep their homes as it is, raise their taxes and the current already damaged housing market will plummet more as more homeowners receive foreclosures, this in turn will effect the stock markets as with recent events with the two largest mortgage companies crashing and the market plummeting 500 points in a day causing all those people to lose money, putting strain on the federal reserve which will eventually force them to cut interest rates again further weakening the dollar and making it less valuable for everyone.....this will continue over and over until the "average guy" gets a break.

perhaps in the beginning of our current economic crisis this could have been avoided by helping the wealthier population and big businesses but it's too late now. what ever breaks and incentives they give these people will take too much time before it can have a positive effect on the average American. have to go directly to the bottom now.

[rufus]

dude, when did I complain about where I am? never. I'm young, I just graduated from college and soon I'm going to land that killer job that gets me a decent home and life. Believe me, I have plans for my future, but just because I am liberal and don't make alot of money doesn't mean I want to throw a pity party or that I'm just to lazy to make a better life for myself.

Well heres just one example cause I dont have the drive nor time to look at all your posts here.

I could care less, we poor stupid folk have enough on our plates to worry about.

[rufus]

so your saying they should cut taxes for those already making way more money then what they need but raise the taxes for those that can barely feed their families. the lower and middle classes can barely afford to keep their homes as it is, raise their taxes and the current already damaged housing market will plummet more as more homeowners receive foreclosures, this in turn will effect the stock markets as with recent events with the two largest mortgage companies crashing and the market plummeting 500 points in a day causing all those people to lose money, putting strain on the federal reserve which will eventually force them to cut interest rates again further weakening the dollar and making it less valuable for everyone.....this will continue over and over until the "average guy" gets a break.

perhaps in the beginning of our current economic crisis this could have been avoided by helping the wealthier population and big businesses but it's too late now. what ever breaks and incentives they give these people will take too much time before it can have a positive effect on the average American. have to go directly to the bottom now.

Can someone please show me where it says its the governments responsibility to make sure you have a good paying job ? Show me where it says the government has to babysit people to ensure they make themselves marketable ? Show me where it says because of bad decisions in life that an individual makes in their life becomes the responsibility of all Americans ? Show me where it says people must be led by the hand because they arent smart enough to make sound decisions when it comes to life on their own ? Show me where it says its the United States peoples responsibility to give back people more money in taxes then they paid in ?

Show me where it says because you arent getting back more then you paid in that that is a tax increase cause your only getting back what you actually paid in and not $3000 extra ? How is that a tax increase for you ? Please advise me ??

[babydoll]

nope hmm im just saying it should be equal tax rate both upper and middle class:winkiss:

[minnseoelite]

Can someone please show me where it says its the governments responsibility to make sure you have a good paying job ? Show me where it says the government has to babysit people to ensure they make themselves marketable ? Show me where it says because of bad decisions in life that an individual makes in their life becomes the responsibility of all Americans ? Show me where it says people must be led by the hand because they arent smart enough to make sound decisions when it comes to life on their own ? Show me where it says its the United States peoples responsibility to give back people more money in taxes then they paid in ?

Show me where it says because you arent getting back more then you paid in that that is a tax increase cause your only getting back what you actually paid in and not $3000 extra ? How is that a tax increase for you ? Please advise me ??

I never said it was....perhaps you need some more edumacation, reading comprehension I think. And not everyone is in the situation they are because of a decision they made, but I guess there will always be ignorant people in this world.

What I said was the current tax system needs a major overhaul, something that eliminates loop holes and makes it more even across the board. I still like the idea of having a flat tax, everyone pays 18% in taxes no excuses, no exemptions, no rebates, no tax brackets.

[GREGO]

Well heres just one example cause I dont have the drive nor time to look at all your posts here.


you have to be kidding me!! do you know what the word sarcasm means?

[babydoll]

What I said was the current tax system needs a major overhaul, something that eliminates loop holes and makes it more even across the board. I still like the idea of having a flat tax, everyone pays 18% in taxes no excuses, no exemptions, no rebates, no tax brackets.

agreed to this:clap: no excuses, no exemptions, no rebates, no tax brackets.:winkiss:

[rufus]

I never said it was....perhaps you need some more edumacation, reading comprehension I think. And not everyone is in the situation they are because of a decision they made, but I guess there will always be ignorant people in this world.

What I said was the current tax system needs a major overhaul, something that eliminates loop holes and makes it more even across the board. I still like the idea of having a flat tax, everyone pays 18% in taxes no excuses, no exemptions, no rebates, no tax brackets.

minnseoelite did you even read anything I had posted before now ??????? I posted just that a system that will fix all the BS and even give you and many others checks every month.

Go back to page 8 post # 73

[minnseoelite]

minnseoelite did you even read anything I had posted before now ??????? I posted just that a system that will fix all the BS and even give you and many others checks every month.

Go back to page 8 post # 73

No I don't have time to read them all, just what I'm replying to but I did reply that I agreed with you that something needed to be done with the current system.

My only issue with such a system is that most government programs do not take into account many common factors that most lower income people have, the rules are set up by wealthy politicians that assume too much and end up disqualifying many people for such programs that should in fact qualify for them. For instance when seeking any kind of government help they use your GROSS income to determine if you make too much. But as we all know it's not your gross income that a person has to work with each month, it's their net income so things like taxes, SS, and health insurance deductions are not even taken into account. The only way a system like that would truly work would be if it was based on a persons net income.

For example 6 1/2 years ago when my then gf was prego with my daughter she couldn't get on my health insurance, she also could not work because of some complications and doctors orders. When she went to get state insurance and MFIP she had to put down my income as hers because she was living with me. They went off my gross income and not my net income which disqualified her because my gross income was $1400 per month and the cut off for assistance was $900 per month. Now if they had looked at my Net income (what I actually had to spend) my net income after taxes and my insurance was only $800 - $850 per month. There are tens of thousands of Americans that get screwed over by this outdated system of determining eligibility.

Not looking to make a boohoo story, in the end I was smart enough to work a second job. But not everyone has that option.

[feebee]

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oh no :gunsmilie:...i think i will be relocating to another country.

another great depression is coming repulicans are in the lead. weve been at war for 7 years for no good reason. our goverment is corrupt. we are just a whole bunch of people being lied to by a big group of pimps(the goverment)
the goverment can do anything they want check this out

http://blip.tv/file/1064938

this man who gave his testimony on 911 is now dead. coincidental?

[rufus]

oh no :gunsmilie:...i think i will be relocating to another country.

another great depression is coming repulicans are in the lead. weve been at war for 7 years for no good reason. our goverment is corrupt. we are just a whole bunch of people being lied to by a big group of pimps(the goverment)
the goverment can do anything they want check this out

http://blip.tv/file/1064938

this man who gave his testimony on 911 is now dead. coincidental?

Doom and Gloom lets run for the hills now why we still have time. OMG its all ending. Oh what shall we do ?:cheers:

[babydoll]

another great depression is coming repulicans are in the lead. weve been at war for 7 years for no good reason. our goverment is corrupt. we are just a whole bunch of people being lied to by a big group of pimps(the goverment)
the goverment can do anything they want check this out



okay we will be going to judge the president candidates mc cain and obama with thier rumor etc


which is worst a corrupt president or a terrorist president

hmmm for a corrupt president he will just take the money:alucard:
and the country have a chance to bounce back after his term

how about for the terrorist president:gun_bandana:
for the terrorist president he will gonna take your money, freedom
we will all gonna kiss goodbye all the freedom we have

do we gonna have a chances if they rule our country if his a terrorist

do you want another 9/11 or or more bombing and more people to die we seen how bad terrorist is

your like giving them the power to rule to your own country


if im wrong please let me know and enlighten me mybe i missed something:winkiss:

[minnseoelite]

okay we will be going to judge the president candidates mc cain and obama with thier rumor etc


which is worst a corrupt president or a terrorist president

hmmm for a corrupt president he will just take the money:alucard:
and the country have a chance to bounce back after his term

how about for the terrorist president:gun_bandana:
for the terrorist president he will gonna take your money, freedom
we will all gonna kiss goodbye all the freedom we have

do we gonna have a chances if they rule our country if his a terrorist

do you want another 9/11 or or more bombing and more people to die we seen how bad terrorist is

your like giving them the power to rule to your own country


if im wrong please let me know and enlighten me mybe i missed something:winkiss:

ok you're wrong ;) the stuff with McCain is not rumors, like the above pics show their is real proof to back his ties with corruption (bush). Obama is just getting a bad rap cause of his last name, he's black not a rag head. If his last name was Jackson those rumors wouldn't exist people would not be trying to connect him with Osama Bin Laden but with prominent blacks in U.S history such as Rev. Jesse Jackson

[rufus]

Even if his last name was Jackson his middle name which he doesnt like to use or for people to even know is Hussein. So in full its Barrack Hussein Obama. Barrack Hussein Jackson is just as bad in my opinion.

[Jazzylee77]

ok you're wrong ;) the stuff with McCain is not rumors, like the above pics show their is real proof to back his ties with corruption (bush).

That's dumb logic. There are piles of pics of McCain with Democrats too. Before he nabbed the nomination from an overload of real conservatives, he was barely even considered to be part of the republican party. Why do you think they called him the Maverick? Because he is a Republican who crossed party lines all the time.

[rufus]

He crossed party lines more so then Obama did also. I have those stats if you want me to get them.

[Jazzylee77]

Even if his last name was Jackson his middle name which he doesnt like to use or for people to even know is Hussein. So in full its Barrack Hussein Obama. Barrack Hussein Jackson is just as bad in my opinion.
Those all all straw man attacks anyway. As far as comments from politicians go, it was the Dems during the primaries who kept bringing up race and the name thing. Now it is Obama himself who keeps playing those cards trying to keep his victim status going.

[rufus]

Those all all straw man attacks anyway. As far as comments from politicians go, it was the Dems during the primaries who kept bringing up race and the name thing. Now it is Obama himself who keeps playing those cards trying to keep his victim status going.

Bingo you nailed it....:cheers::cheers:

[minnseoelite]

I was only doing as the lady asked, she said if she was wrong to let her know lol. McCain has close ties with Bush, the pics show it and prove it and everyone knows it because he's said it himself. Obama having an Islamic/Muslim sounding name does not make him a terrorist, that kind of thinking just proves a persons ignorance and cowardness.

[minnseoelite]

That's dumb logic. There are piles of pics of McCain with Democrats too. Before he nabbed the nomination from an overload of real conservatives, he was barely even considered to be part of the republican party. Why do you think they called him the Maverick? Because he is a Republican who crossed party lines all the time.

I never said Republicans, I said Bush.

Crossing party lines don't mean sh!t to me, I'm not impressed that someone can cross an imaginary line lol.

[rufus]

I was only doing as the lady asked, she said if she was wrong to let her know lol. McCain has close ties with Bush, the pics show it and prove it and everyone knows it because he's said it himself. Obama having an Islamic/Muslim sounding name does not make him a terrorist, that kind of thinking just proves a persons ignorance and cowardness.


So since Barack has had an 20-year relationship with his now EX Preacher Wright who has vehemently called for God to damn America he must be bad bad bad also ?

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f248/humshuck/obama-wright.jpg

[minnseoelite]

So since Barack has had an 20-year relationship with his now EX Preacher Wright who has vehemently called for God to damn America he must be bad bad bad also ?

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f248/humshuck/obama-wright.jpg

You already answered that one....EX preacher once he made that comment. Outside politics McCain and Bush are still friends and share the same views on how to run things.

You're grabbing at straws now, so i'll leave you to have fun with your paranoia driven conspiracy :cheers:

[Jazzylee77]

I never said Republicans, I said Bush.


Oh well in that case, a picture of them together proves everything.
:whistling:

[GREGO]

Even if his last name was Jackson his middle name which he doesnt like to use or for people to even know is Hussein. So in full its Barrack Hussein Obama. Barrack Hussein Jackson is just as bad in my opinion.

so because of his name you think he is bad? Are you for real? so anyone walking around with the name Hussein is a bad person? So I guess anyone walking around with the name Jesus must be divine? Or better yet, anyone with the name Joseph must be evil, just like Stalin.

you are obviously a very simple minded man Rufus

So since Barack has had an 20-year relationship with his now EX Preacher Wright who has vehemently called for God to damn America he must be bad bad bad also ?

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f248/humshuck/obama-wright.jpg


this is a poor example, there are about 1000X more nutty christians in the republican party than in the democratic party. Sara Palin is one of those nuts.

[barcodeunit]

now why would I want to leave the country? It's looking like those damn liberals are going to get into the white house this year!

now your saying that all of those that don't make a whole lot of money are just lazy and stupid? Dude, you are acting like your above everyone else that makes less money than you. I don't care how much you have to pay for your taxes, sorry thats just the truth, I could care less, we poor stupid folk have enough on our plates to worry about.

i never said anything that puts me above anyone. and i never said those who don't make a lot of mone are lazy and stupid. don't put any words in my mouth. my point is clear. this is america. everyone has an EQUAL chance of becoming successful. get over it.

here is something for you to think about: instead of wasting your time in this forum and talking about politics, why don't you figure out a new way to make some money?

your crying and whining on this thread is not going to change anyone's minds. squash it and move on, do something better with your time instead of changing the context of what people are posting here.

[GREGO]

thats the thing though, I never complained about how much money I make, I'm young, I don't need alot of money and I think I have a pretty good chance of finding a decent job sometime in the near future. And I plan on only going up from there.

what I don't understand is why you say I'm putting words in your mouth and then immediately proceed to talk to me as if I have no aspirations to better myself


the last line you quoted me on was pure sarcasm, I honestly didn't think I would need to point that out.

I don't see how my not feeling the same way you do about taxes makes me someone who is whining about my financial status or someone who is unwilling to attempt to better my financial status.

although I do agree with what you said about not wasting so much time on the forum.

[barcodeunit]

thats the thing though, I never complained about how much money I make, I'm young, I don't need alot of money and I think I have a pretty good chance of finding a decent job sometime in the near future. And I plan on only going up from there.

what I don't understand is why you say I'm putting words in your mouth and then immediately proceed to criticize me because I don't make a lot of money.


the last line you quoted me on was pure sarcasm, I honestly didn't think I would need to point that out.

I don't see how my not feeling the same way you do about taxes makes me someone who is whining about my financial status or someone who is unwilling to attempt to better my financial status.

although I do agree with what you said about not wasting so much time on the forum.

i never criticized you because you don't make a lot of money. it was the fact you took what i said to be insulting, when i wasn't trying to insult anyone. i have nothing against you or your political views. i respect your opinions, but obviously i don't agree with them.

[GREGO]

i never criticized you because you don't make a lot of money. it was the fact you took what i said to be insulting, when i wasn't trying to insult anyone. i have nothing against you or your political views. i respect your opinions, but obviously i don't agree with them.


I feel the same way, I respect your opinion.

[rufus]

so because of his name you think he is bad? Are you for real? so anyone walking around with the name Hussein is a bad person? So I guess anyone walking around with the name Jesus must be divine? Or better yet, anyone with the name Joseph must be evil, just like Stalin.

you are obviously a very simple minded man Rufus






Ah Ah Ah ...........dont put words in my mouth. Only thing I said is by changing his last name to Jackson wouldnt help him much. Regardless if you wanna face the cold hard truth there are Americans out there that will never vote for him just cause of his name.

[Compu]

Ah Ah Ah ...........dont put words in my mouth. Only thing I said is by changing his last name to Jackson wouldnt help him much. Regardless if you wanna face the cold hard truth there are Americans out there that will never vote for him just cause of his name.

I think it is more likely that people would not vote for him because he is biracial then because of his name. However, we do have some crazy Americans out there.

I wish we could "blend" the two. I agree with Obama's youth and drive for change. However, I like McCain/Palins policies.

As to the original topic, I am young (21) and I vote Republican. I think the government is way too large and is controlling more of the American lives then ever was intended. Lets give the power back to the states. I don't think an entire country should have to abide by the same policy. We are so diverse and different, how can the same set of rules control everyone? Obama wants to take us in the other direction ... more federal government. It isn't a good "change".