How much are the big two worth?

[Kyle]

How much are the big two worth (imo) bigoo.ws and pimpmyspace.org?

If you owned them what is your breaking point?

[sky2k4]

I got it two days ago..
pimp-my-myspace.ws
probably wont catch on especially with the cheap turnkey,lmao.
opened two days ago only 20 hit,lol
but my other site is growing only after a month.

[idzone]

I got it two days ago..
pimp-my-myspace.ws
probably wont catch on especially with the cheap turnkey,lmao.
opened two days ago only 20 hit,lol
but my other site is growing only after a month.

You posted something off topic, I think

[Connections]

these sites are probly worth what ever the potential buyer is willing to pay!

is it a smart buy in terms on ROI? is it a risky investment, eg will it be profitable in the future!

these things weight into the price of myspace sites.

[dnic24]

.ws and ,.orgs are always hard to brand so it is difficult to say

[zerohero]

How much are the big two worth (imo) bigoo.ws and pimpmyspace.org?

If you owned them what is your breaking point?

To be honest, with pimpmyspace.org, I'd be just going day to day with it, and gettin' while the gettin' is good. There is a big trademark lawsuit just waiting to happen there. (not saying I wouldn't love being the owner of that site, I'd just be expecting the worst at any moment.. and making sure I had a "plan B" if Fox decided to take me down...

[Kyle]

To be honest, with pimpmyspace.org, I'd be just going day to day with it, and gettin' while the gettin' is good. There is a big trademark lawsuit just waiting to happen there. (not saying I wouldn't love being the owner of that site, I'd just be expecting the worst at any moment.. and making sure I had a "plan B" if Fox decided to take me down...

Do you mean because it has "Myspace" in the domian?

[Ad disengaged]

To be honest, with pimpmyspace.org, I'd be just going day to day with it, and gettin' while the gettin' is good. There is a big trademark lawsuit just waiting to happen there. (not saying I wouldn't love being the owner of that site, I'd just be expecting the worst at any moment.. and making sure I had a "plan B" if Fox decided to take me down...

Wont happen.

[haxtonholdings]

I doubt it will happen either.

[Connections]

yawnnn it will happen all myspace resource sites with "myspace" in the title are a DISASTER in the waiting any one who's been in this scene for long enough knows that these sites will be taken down after a while. Myspace will just send a siece to disest order and then will just bring out their leagal team fronted by newscort interactive, it will happen probly over the next 6 months when they have nothing to do any one who's been around for long enough knows that some of the big players in the MSRS scene were taken down around a year ago becuase of this trade mark infringement. You can not operate under some one else's trade mark with the same product or service. The MSRS are operating under the myspace tradmark with the same service and myspace.com. It's different if its a wine shop with myspace in the url but MSRS are easy to sue aggainst and myspace will win.

[rob]

yawnnn it will happen all myspace resource sites with "myspace" in the title are a DISASTER in the waiting any one who's been in this scene for long enough knows that these sites will be taken down after a while. Myspace will just send a siece to disest order and then will just bring out their leagal team fronted by newscort interactive, it will happen probly over the next 6 months when they have nothing to do any one who's been around for long enough knows that some of the big players in the MSRS scene were taken down around a year ago becuase of this trade mark infringement. You can not operate under some one else's trade mark with the same product or service. The MSRS are operating under the myspace tradmark with the same service and myspace.com. It's different if its a wine shop with myspace in the url but MSRS are easy to sue aggainst and myspace will win.
Kind of like with myspacesupport.com.. oh, wait.

[Connections]

Kind of like with myspacesupport.com.. oh, wait.


www.myspacecity.com was once a massive site then it was sued for trademark breach, myspace support has been taken to court a few times.

Its just a matter of time before newscorp interactive looks for some work to do, or untill they give their legal team a little something to bite on....

[Ad disengaged]

No one is gonna set sued. OK?

[Kyle]

No one is gonna set sued. OK?

That's a pretty broad statement.

[fryman]

agreed. Are you some sort of wizzard that can see the future or how are you making these clamis?

[Connections]

Its not about predicting the future, its called looking at laws and also looking at myspace's work schedule and working out its a "possibility"....

Sure every one can deny the fact and say its "never" going to happen but the fact is it has happened in the past and is a real "possibility" in the future.

this is just a discussion forum sure every one has their own ideas about myspace but these are mine.

[miller2348]

From everything that I've read about trademarks and names it is myspaces duty to protect their name. That does mean going after anyone infringing on that name. They can lose their trademark if they don't protect it. Again, from everything I've read which may or may not be entirely true.

[computernoob]

agreed not worth the (web)space they are written on. soon there will be something cooler than myspace and all the kiddies will use that so whatever murdoch paid for it will have been money down the drain.

[fryman]

Amazing... I just found out that one of the big sites out there got an offer of $950k for his site...

Damn, and I thought my site was expensive...

[Connections]

agreed not worth the (web)space they are written on. soon there will be something cooler than myspace and all the kiddies will use that so whatever murdoch paid for it will have been money down the drain.


saying that its money down the drain is a pretty stupid statement to make, murdoch had paid for it becuase its a good investment if you know any thing about marketing to various demographics and you know newscorp wants to target the teenage demographic effective so purchasing myspace has done this very well, as targeting via other sources is very hard because 95%+ teens use pcs martking to them can be done very effective only myspace..

as for the price they make millions and millions each year on advertising alone in a few years time with will probyl make their money back. many companies spend up to 3-5 million advertising on myspace and the whole site was around 500 million to buy, so ROI will be good for newscorp.

[Elvis.]

www.myspacecity.com was once a massive site then it was sued for trademark breach, myspace support has been taken to court a few times.

Its just a matter of time before newscorp interactive looks for some work to do, or untill they give their legal team a little something to bite on....


We were never taken to court, that's a false statement.

[Connections]

We were never taken to court, that's a false statement.


Well I just read some where "myspace support" has a siece to decist order placed aggainst the url from newscorpinteractive. This was on some blog so it was probly just a false statement.

But you say you own myspacesupport yet in another thread you used the quote " I've got a MySpace site with about 25,000 uniques a day" last time I checked the owner of "myspacesupport.com" was getting Average 111007 per day so you dont even own the site...

[Greg-J]

We were never taken to court, that's a false statement.
Are you in fact the owner of myspacesupport?

[Elvis.]

Are you in fact the owner of myspacesupport?

No, site is in Andrew's name if I may, I do some stuff as well, which is unnecessary to discuss.

Connections - C&D Letter, and getting sued, are two different things. Correct?

[Ad disengaged]

The reason why no one will actually get sued becasue it will cost FGox more money to assemble lawyers than it is worth. taking webmasters to court would actually cost FOX money even if they won. PLus it would look bad for thier image.

[fryman]

What does their image have to do with protecting their trademark

[Dean]

I personally cant imagine anyone getting sued for having myspace in there name?

I mean could I simply created a new company called Googlesupport and trademark that?

I dont understand copyrights/laws alot so please feel free to tell me im wrong but surely the trademark is simply on "Myspace" and not any string of letters with these in it.

Plus part of the success of myspace is the resource sites providing content to "pimp" the users profiles so why would the company who is losing no money to these resource sites then try to sue them?

It would be like Adobe sueing a tutorial site that helps the user to use their programe?

Hmmm maybe im wrong but all seems to just be rumours.

Dean

[Helios]

Companies have to be protective of their copyrights, that's just how it is. Some companies are more stringent on this than others. But the basic principle is that if they don't protect it, they run the risk of losing control over it.

This happened with digg.com recently. Many digg users were creating fan sites, which ultimatly help digg grow. The digg owners appreciate these fan creations, and encourage them, but they had to send C&Ds to any of the sites that used digg in the domain. Again, if they let people do what they want with their trademark, they could eventually lose control of the name.

agreed not worth the (web)space they are written on. soon there will be something cooler than myspace and all the kiddies will use that so whatever murdoch paid for it will have been money down the drain.

Murdoch made his money back - and then some - when Google purchased advertising rights for $900mil.

I'm positive fox WILL come down on any trademark infringements. They've done this numerous times in the past. Anyone remember the simpsons websites Fox shut down, simply because they contained pictures and soundclips from the episodes? That's where being FOXED (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxed) came from.

[fryman]

And now everyone will get Myspaced

[Connections]

No, site is in Andrew's name if I may, I do some stuff as well, which is unnecessary to discuss.

Connections - C&D Letter, and getting sued, are two different things. Correct?


C&D letter can lead to getting sued very easily, I was just using information from this blog about it so obviously the information was only 60% true.

As for the issues regarding myspace's trademark I am only using the knowledge from what I have learnt over the last year in marketing law for my marketing studies.

We have actually done many case studies on similar cases, so I am dumbfounded that people think it will NEVER happen to sites with myspace in the URL. Do some research into trademarks people its a huge possibility.

Lets get back on topic aswell lol

[MaxS]

Amazing... I just found out that one of the big sites out there got an offer of $950k for his site...

Damn, and I thought my site was expensive...
I know a few MySpace sites that sold for $xxx,xxx.

[fryman]

Gee... I really need to get to the top 10 for myspace layouts... that should double my site's value

[DavidR]

Lets get back on topic aswell lol

No disrespect but let's not, this is all very interesting to read and learn about.

[fryman]

Aren't we in topic? We are talking about how much the big sites are worth

[AzBlk]

C&D letter can lead to getting sued very easily, I was just using information from this blog about it so obviously the information was only 60% true.

As for the issues regarding myspace's trademark I am only using the knowledge from what I have learnt over the last year in marketing law for my marketing studies.

We have actually done many case studies on similar cases, so I am dumbfounded that people think it will NEVER happen to sites with myspace in the URL. Do some research into trademarks people its a huge possibility.

Lets get back on topic aswell lol
It has already happened they went after a lot of sites for infringement and they got most of the big ones with myspace in the url. The only reason myspacesupport was left alone is that Andrew made a backroom deal with Tom who remained myspace president even after newscorp took them over.

[Connections]

azblk where are you getting this information from, I know the owner of myspace support is a active user at sitepoint forums I will ask him if these claims are true, I doubt they are, but they may be as I have seen a link to a MSRS on toms profile he reccomends user use some guys sites content I dont know how this guy acquired the link but.

http://myspace.com/tom

he is promoting the site - http://mackxrocks.com/

very unfair if I may say to the other MSRS owners!!!!!!!!

[Elvis.]

You guys are making a lion out of a rabbit.

[AzBlk]

azblk where are you getting this information from, I know the owner of myspace support is a active user at sitepoint forums I will ask him if these claims are true, I doubt they are, but they may be as I have seen a link to a MSRS on toms profile he reccomends user use some guys sites content I dont know how this guy acquired the link but.

http://myspace.com/tom

he is promoting the site - http://mackxrocks.com/

very unfair if I may say to the other MSRS owners!!!!!!!!
Check DP or SP for a thread about a year old about this. There was an article on this issue in business 2.0 magazine and Andrew said he had received a C&D notice from newscorp and If I remember right they also tried to take away his domain. He talked to Tom and all his problems dissappeared. He said it this thread at SP

http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showthread.php?t=334926&highlight=myspacesupport

[chihpih]

It has already happened they went after a lot of sites for infringement and they got most of the big ones with myspace in the url. The only reason myspacesupport was left alone is that Andrew made a backroom deal with Tom who remained myspace president even after newscorp took them over.

so andrew is in cahoots with tom? :)

thats some funny **** ;)

[Elvis.]

As Andrew's close friend, I am not going to get in detail, but Andrew never spoke or heard from Tom. Nor were there any serious court/lawsuit threats involved. However, that does not guarantee that you wont get involved in a lawsuit just because we didn't.

Let's hope this is clear, and we can move away from this thread now. ;)

[AzBlk]

As Andrew's close friend, I am not going to get in detail, but Andrew never spoke or heard from Tom. Nor were there any serious court/lawsuit threats involved. However, that does not guarantee that you wont get involved in a lawsuit just because we didn't.

Let's hope this is clear, and we can move away from this thread now. ;)
Read this thread Andrew himself says he is talking to Tom about the issue :

http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showthread.php?t=334926&highlight=myspacesupport

[Elvis.]

Read this thread Andrew himself says he is talking to Tom about the issue :

http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showthread.php?t=334926&highlight=myspacesupport

I stated the facts. I'm done with this thread.

[Connections]

yeh I had a look at this thread, it doesn't really say any thing about tom talking to him, it just states he tried to contact him, it doesnt say any thing about tom getting back to him.

[fryman]

I have been talking to Tom about all of this

What else do you need?

[DavidR]

So if you say this Andrew guy didn't talk to Tom and that is the fact. Then when Andrew said on Sitepoint that he had been talking to Tom, he was lying. Are you saying Andrew is a liar?

There's only two options:

Andrew is a liar.
You don't fully know what you're talking about.

I don't see that this little detail really matters as it changes nothing, but I just wanted to cause some fuss.

[fryman]

I once had a chat with that guy. I recommended getting a new domain and doing a redirect. He said that he was talking to some people of Myspace and trying to get to an agreement.

So saying that he never talked to anyone, being Tom or someone else, is just BS.

[Connections]

tom runs a business, I would be dumbfounded to believe if he was taking email requests from concrened webmasters, in all posibilities it was probly some one acting on toms behalf.

This is a stupid argument to even be getting into.

[MaxS]

I've spoken with Andrew (MSS guy) months ago -- He spoke with Tom, I saw the chat log.

Can I prove it? Of course not.

[fryman]

And who are you?

[MaxS]

And who are you?
Just some webmaster...

[Jeremy]

I got a C&D letter from MySpace and the domain name didn't even contain MySpace in it. Basically we were running a poker league at www.mspokerchallenge.com (http://www.mspokerchallenge.com) and did some press releases. We had "MySpace Poker League" all over the site.

Subsequently we changed the name and rebranded the site. But yes they do send C&D letters. I imagine they were more enforcing on our site as it involves gambling.

On a side note I also was involved in a case with Harrah's because they own the trademark and I owned a bunch of domains with WSOP in it. MySpace would have every right to sue and take back all the big sites if they wanted too.