lets get all the designers together on this one.

[money_train]

hello guys
i am going crazy looking at the chirstmas and other holiday packs available here.
so many layout packs coming every now and then.

want to grab them all but i am not sure which one is good or better.
more importantly how many to buy so i get some returns on my investments.

i must have bought content worth 250$ this month and there are so many others available. Do not know where to stop.

and i suggested this on one thread in the market place
need everones comments on this.

what i am suggesting is that we get all the designers together and get them working on regualar basis.
we get a couple of buyers agreeing to pay a fixed amount every month say 100$ each (negotiable) and we collect the funds and park them one place.

say we have 2k a month we can distribute it among the desigener and get content for everyone who pays.

we can fix the price for a layout and glitter in advance so any designer contributing gets his/her share of work.

something like we are doing for selenas pack.
(BTW it is taking so much time for here to complete)

all we require is some one who can assess the quality of work and collect funds.
he/ she can be paid a handling fee as well.

need ur suggestions on this.

i am not sure how to create a poll on this.
if a morderator wants to add a poll pleaese do that.

[Dean]

I think the idea is great, I have the exact same problem with generators/glitters!

I would be willing to be involved, even though it isnt agreed yet but just so you can get an idea of how many would be a part.

Im not sure how easy this would be to arrange though with alot of money/content.

I think the idea is great though!

Dean

[Selena]

hehe money train i think this is a good idea, its going to be a bit complicated, but maybe it will work
on the side note of my package, i know its taking so long to complete, mainly because im running out of ideas, once i get this first pack finished, which ahh i hope i can get half another bit coded today, another bit coded tomorow and it should be completed. Its the thumbnails that are taking me the longest. i really am sorry for the delay.

[money_train]

i agree it is difficult but not complicate.
all we need is someone whom we can assign the job of quality accessinng and payment colllection.
and that too for a fee not free of charge.

we need to decide a price for the layout and glitter that a designer will get.
this a designer can answer how much per glitter or layout they make.

so each designer will get say 5$ per layout and 2$ per glitter.

and if we are 20 buyers we get the same layout for 25 cents or something (if my calcualation is right)

and it has been proved in selenas case that members here are willing to buy in bulk and that selena is out of ideas to deliver such a huge order.

need suggestions from every one on this.
i suggest all of use this in there signature for a couple of days and we get lots of response for this idea.

[eileen]

i love this idea.
i hope it will work, if people do decide to do it.
im interested in being a part of it.
:p

[deep]

great idea but will take some time to get everyones ideas and get them involved, i'll take part if you need more designers. :)

[rocktheboat911]

Yeah - Excellent idea :] If you need a designer I'd love to take part in it.

[Andria]

I'm in if needed more designers

[GREGO]

a neat idea but a little confusing to say the least. I'm down though if you need anyone else. Togeather i'll bet we can come up with all the coolest phrases and ideas.

[nsmchris]

I really like this idea. A content co-op of sorts. I'd be interested in joining. The biggest issue would be finding someone to run it and a "board" to review the quality of the content and contract designers.

$1000 of fresh content every month for $50 would be a boon for any site owner.

I say we start off small like getting getting 10 people or so willing to part with $10. That $100 could buy say 50 original glitters. If that worked then we could bump up the fee for the next month.

Anyone else interested?

[money_train]

i am hopeful of getting good response on this.
and for a start i think most of us should use their signaures to get some traffic to this thread.

[Emma]

I think its a great idea, i'm definately in if this goes ahead :D

[PGZ]

Need a good dependable organizer......And no thats not me. I think another Mod can handle this baby. But it is a good Idea if it can be worked correctly.

[deep]

i can design graphics and will also buy the pack! :)

[money_train]

i can design graphics and will also buy the pack! :)


what about useing ur signature for this link to start with.
cheers
money_train

[deep]

what about useing ur signature for this link to start with.
cheers
money_train

done :), i dont really edit my signatures often and dont even add links to all my marketing posts, lazy.

hope everyone can work something out with this great idea

[money_train]

done :), i dont really edit my signatures often and dont even add links to all my marketing posts, lazy.

hope everyone can work something out with this great idea

thats a good strat.
i am sure we can get the rest of us to agree on this and once it begins it will be a smooth transcation.

i am suggesting 100$ for every buyer to start with. lets see how many others agree to this.

[Christine]

I like this idea, also alot of sites building their way up its alot cheaper for them instead of ordering custom content.
I have a few orders to remake because of computer problems but after that I should be in on the designing part.

[Jazzylee77]

I'm in for $100 if thats the way it goes.

An idea about judging content. This may be overly complicated but I'll throw it out anyway.


Paid members gain access to page where content submissions are posted. (some auto watermark gallery feature or something to prevent theft)

Paid members vote for a certain number of items in each category.

Periodically the top rated items are paid for and distributed using the deposited funds.

Running tally of deposited funds and distribution of funds is displayed.

Perhaps use a portion of the founding members funds to pay for coding the setup.

[nsmchris]

I'm in for $100 to see how this goes. We just need a mod or someone with good rep to handle the money end.

We could make a list of all the designers who would be interested in doing the custom work, a page on their site with demos, and their price. Then the co-op could vote on what was needed and who to contract with.

There would need to be a couple of rules to protect the interests of the co-op members. We would want the content to be exclusive to the members only, so no reselling it and such.

Chris...

[Maz]

I'm also in if more designers are needed/wanted.

[money_train]

I'm in for $100 if thats the way it goes.


I'm in for $100 to see how this goes. We just need a mod or someone with good rep to handle the money end.
Chris...

and me thats three of us 300$ a month we have reached.
i am sure this will get bigger.

now i think a lot of designers are willing to participate on this which is a really good thing.

now all we need to do is get this to say 1k and have say 5 designers work on it for this month.

now there is one thing i want to know from designers.
what kind of money do they make on each layout and image pack that they sell.
i mean how many copies of a pack are sold in general.

this will help us gauge a price for ur layout and other packs.

as far as i am concerned i can assist in collecting funds and managing this thread.
but i am learning graphic evalutions for now. i will not be able to gauge the quality of work of a designer.

so we will need that here.

now lets get the ball rolling.
if everyone agrees i can add another email to my paypal account and start collections.

[Jazzylee77]

More than happy to let money_train handle the funds.

[money_train]

More than happy to let money_train handle the funds.

for now we need more people commenting and joining hands here.
all we have is conformation for and action from other members.

will appreciate u putting a link to this in ur signature.

i have conforamtion of four including myself on this as yet.

i am looking atleast 1k to start with.
thats a sum that we can distribute to 3-4 designers.
and get some good conent to be shared only by 10 of us who pay(1k collections)

so i guess we just need more people posting conformations here.

[Christine]

now there is one thing i want to know from designers.
what kind of money do they make on each layout and image pack that they sell.
i mean how many copies of a pack are sold in general.

Each glitter I sell is $2.00 but can go down to $1.00 when ordered in bulk.. Layouts are $6.50 but also go down with bulk amounts. As for premades I usually just add whatever I made all up.. then just make the price from around 40%-60% percent of the normal price that it would be (depending on how much i think its going to sell etc).

[Izzy]

i'd be happy to take part in it. =]

[money_train]

i'd be happy to take part in it. =]

what side are u going to be a part of.
designer i guess.
if yes let us know ur price expectations as well.

Now all we need some more buyers actually now.
i think we have enough of Designer conformation on this.

Also need some one who can judge the quality of designer works.

i am really happy with the way this thread is moving.

[Rhab]

I would be in for $100 bones as well. Frankly I've been putting so much time into working on my site that I haven't had much time to work on actual content. This would help me greatly in at least getting started.

As far as suggestions for a manager or organizer, I would suggest Scilynt. Dunno if he has the time or desire to take on this load, but definitely a potential candidate in my book.

[money_train]

As far as suggestions for a manager or organizer, I would suggest Scilynt. Dunno if he has the time or desire to take on this load, but definitely a potential candidate in my book.


i would second you on this. but the man needs to agree on this first.
i have asked him to post a comment here but he has not done that as yet.

so far we are five buyers ready on this.
lets get a couple of more and start this anyways.

[Scilynt]

Sorry guys, weekends are always hard on me and I don't get much time to get online.

I already told money that I liked the idea a lot and it looks like it could really be great with Selenas huge pack (poor girl) but really work out for everyone involved.

I think the hardest part would be getting everyone to agree on things...such as who does the work on things, how to rate the quality of that work to make sure they are worth the price and then finding out who wants in. But there could easily be separate group buys for the various topics (generators, layouts, glitters...).

I wouldn't mind being a "middle man" if needed, but keep in mind my weekend hours and slow response on those days. Unless you all want to donate some to the "finally be able to quit my crappy job so I can do this stuff full time" fund? heheh jk.

[Dean]

Ill put my name in for the buyers at $100.

Although, I would also liked to be involved in choosing the content. I personally wouldnt want to put money in and just get sent some content like I imagine the other buyers would. So I think the selection should be a team choice.

Let me know if theres anything else I can help/do with.

Oh and I would be happy for Scilynt to handle the middle man job too.

Dean

[spaceboos]

Im full of cash no website brains but i like content. Im In.

[Izzy]

what side are u going to be a part of.
designer i guess.
if yes let us know ur price expectations as well.

Now all we need some more buyers actually now.
i think we have enough of Designer conformation on this.

Also need some one who can judge the quality of designer works.

i am really happy with the way this thread is moving.
sorry forgot to say. designer yes. xD

[money_train]

so here is the tally of prospective buyers

money_train
Dean
nsmchris
deep
Jazzylee77
Rhab
spaceboos
foxtrot ( confirmed to me by PM)

so 8X100= 800$. this is a good amount to start with.

and this is the list of designers interested to work for us.
Selena
eileen
deep
rocktheboat911
Andria
Tfdesigns
Christine
Maz

we have 8 designers here as well. I need to know if any one of you guys will also be on the buyers side so i can update that as well.

i am sure this is going to grow bigger from here
so i guess we should strart thinking of a managment and organization plan here.

i can offer myself to collect the money (if its ok with the rest) and up keep this thread for now.

would like scilynt to work on quality of designs.

I like Deans idea of suggesting conent.
we know his capabilities so i guess he should work on organizing the theames every month.

now all we need is some one to head the designer team or we can just offer the designers to discuss the theame of interest here and one of us should officate that.

lets set some rules here and get this started.

[LinkPromo]

Any chance I could buy in for $100 for of Layouts?

[money_train]

Any chance I could buy in for $100 for of Layouts?

sure you can we are just getting the list together as yet.
i am putting u in the prospective buyer list.



1 money_train
2 Dean
3 nsmchris
4 deep
5 Jazzylee77
6 Rhab
7 spaceboos
8 foxtrot ( confirmed to me by PM)
9 LinkPromo



thats 900$ for now.

[GREGO]

My name wasn't chosen as a designer which is cool, but i was thinking that the designers should have to compete a little bit because yeah 8 designers and 9 ppl isn't going to work for the designers to make any profit.
what's 125 when you can usually make 3 - 4 hundred? forgive me for being forword but this idea only sounds like a sweet deal for myspace site owners and not the graphic designers who try to make a living here. either way if 8 designers all share there won't be alot, and if only a few are chosen then the other designers won't get any sales because of this thread. It's a totally great idea to get cheap content and i'm sure it will work well, but i just thought i'd throw my opinion out there.

[sky2k4]

I'd be interested also.. pm me or email..I just found this place to so my apologies.
as a buyer I dont have the time to design anymore to busy...

very nice place and everyone seems so friendly! totally awsome!

[MyspaceTraffic]

I'll easily drop a $100 for this... About how much unique contents are we talking about? Let say 20 people decided to pool in.

[jdresse]

Put me in for 100 too

[money_train]

My name wasn't chosen as a designer which is cool, but i was thinking that the designers should have to compete a little bit because yeah 8 designers and 9 ppl isn't going to work for the designers to make any profit.
what's 125 when you can usually make 3 - 4 hundred? forgive me for being forword but this idea only sounds like a sweet deal for myspace site owners and not the graphic designers who try to make a living here. either way if 8 designers all share there won't be alot, and if only a few are chosen then the other designers won't get any sales because of this thread. It's a totally great idea to get cheap content and i'm sure it will work well, but i just thought i'd throw my opinion out there.


My personal opinion
we are not going to go ahead with all the designers first thing.
we should be looking at 4-5 designers every month on rotating basis only.
or if the pool gets bigger we can have all the designers working on this.

i am also looking at giving designers fair share for there work.

i am not sure how many of christmas pack did each one sell.

i was confused as hell of which to buy for sure.

same with the no. of layout sales happening around. i am sure with the more designers coming out with packs sale per pack must be decreasing.

i was buying everything on sale earlier but not now.
i wait for the others to buy and comment.

so i guess we are just trying to get organized here.

again we need suggestions form each designer as to what price per layout and glitter should they expect.
we seal that price for good.

and we should also seal the no. of buyers at 15-20 i guess. so the content is unique enough and also other designers have clients outside this group to offer there sales to.

and this is only 100$ per buyer. if anyone else is intrested in buying more he or she is going to buy other stuff as well.

now the buyers tally

1 money_train
2 Dean
3 nsmchris
4 deep
5 Jazzylee77
6 Rhab
7 spaceboos
8 foxtrot ( confirmed to me by PM)
9 LinkPromo
10 MyspaceTraffic
11 jdresse
12 sky2k4

as far as designers go lets have some thoughts here and start the pack for december.
its the 11th decemeber already. so lets get this started fast to complete it this month only.

[Jazzylee77]

I think we should try to attract the best designers, rewarding them with a a premium price for their efforts.

This would be a good time to be getting some valentines graphics indexed.

Monthly contests might keep interest up for the designers. members vote for best sports layout one month, best band layout the next etc. $ bonus for the winners. I think this would be a good way to target themes and improve quality.

I'd be happier with a smaller quantity of really kickass unique designs than a flood of so so content.

[deep]

hey guyz, i will be a designer and a buyer

Desginer:
Well I make high quality glitters and you can see some samples of my last package here: http://www.myspacepros.com/forum/showthread.php?p=15233

If you want glitters that match the quality of those above then I would expect $5 per glitter, offcourse I can make fair ones for around $3-$4. thats for you guyz to decide.

heres what i made so far on my last package:
about $200 and the sale is still continuing!

so $5 per glitter is my deal for high quality

as for the layouts, Im just going to go with what other designers decide! :)

Oh and are the designers going to get a little discount for buying the content package, since it seems a little odd that we are buying some of our own content so a little discount would be nice. :)

i'll post some more suggestions later on when other designers have had a say,

[Izzy]

I keep forgetting to say stuff. xD Anyways if it's not too late. I would expect about $4 a glitter. [designer]
Do we have to do layouts?

[Andria]

Well i get paid no less than 4 dollars per graphic on the big sites i work for, but i understand alot of you have a budget, so me personally, 1-2 dollars per graphic is fine. Layouts, i get paid no less than 15 per layout, but again i understand budgets, so 5-10 dollars per layout is good.

Only thing is, if you get so many designers you'd have to pay big for each graphic, or else we (the designers) would barely be making anything for quality graphics b/c we have to split with say 5-6 people.

Either way, i'm in, extra cash is cash. Unfortunatlly right now i'd say wait until the first of January to actually get this organized b/c with the holidays, work and work I have for certain people and sites, i won't have the time to do any graphics right now. Plus there's already so many packs to be bought right now for xmas and new years, you can get the group ready for valentines day and other things.

[spaceboos]

I think one thing should be clear that any designs made for our sites here stay here. Not to be sold later. I can see them being sold on other forums for profit.

Just my 2 cents. Im also ready when everyone else is.

[GREGO]

well cool it looks like this is more planned out than I originaly thought. so just let me know when to submit entries or if theres already to many designers thats cool.

[Emma]

I charge pretty low, like $2 per glitter and $6 per layout, & you can see the quality from my site or thread. http://www.myspacepros.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1203

It'll be good to have a few designers, i guess the buyers should decide who they want, like quality and pricing.

But i'm in for whatever..

[Dean]

:) This has picked up since I last visited before the weekend!

Anyway, I like how its going I really think this could be great but yes 9 designers would need to be cut down. How about, just an idea maybe 4 designers per month or pack however it works with each designer being specifically for one thing ie. Each time we choose a designer for layouts, glitters, graphics etc.?

That way the designer could say: I will put forward myself for the layouts part this time and I am offering X layouts for X dollars etc. This idea would need refining but its just a suggestion.

Also money_train and you expand on what you would like me to do? I am happy to help but didnt understand what you said properly :P

Thanks,
Dean

[Scilynt]

I guess I didn't make it clear but I would be in on a buyers side as well so add me to the list ;).


This is already getting a bit confusing. It really should be separated into parts and pieces. The buyers should be in one thread and deciding on the kind of content they want. For example, say the first pack everyone wants:

- 5% misc (something else, random for the time...maybe extra xmas glitters this time?)
- 10% holiday specific glitters/images (valentines day?)
- 25% random image and comment glitters
- 30% layouts
- 30% generators


So, after the buyers decide on the specific types of content and what percentage to put towards that then the designers/coders that are interested will bid on what they want and show examples of their work specific to that bid.

So lets say the above example is what the buyers decided for the first month. Say, for example there are 10 buyers at $100. So 10 x 100 = $1000 for the first buy. So using the example above, 30% for layouts would be $300. So the buyers have a thread where the $300 is offered to the designer who can provide the best deal for that amount. One may only want to do 30 layouts and have excellent work. Another may offer 50 laytouts with just as good work. It would be up to the buyers to decide which to go with, or to maybe break it up between designers, if the designers were interested.

Same goes for each other content type. But maybe everyone wants only glitters this first set, then there would be a huge budget for glitters and it could be broken down into separate sets for separate chosen designers.


The whole idea is for site owners to be able to get somewhat unique content for their own sites for less than they would get it paying for custom work. They want good prices and a lot of content. For designers/coders, they get a lump sum for one set of work. Sure, some could make money just selling their random sets here and there and such, but this would be an easy way to get paid a lump sum for a bit of work rather than having to sell 30 separate packs of something.

It should be clear that these packs/sets/generators would not be open for resale. The buyers who pay should be able to use the content on any of their OWN sites but not share or sell any part. That way the buyers get pretty unique content (only the other buyers should have the same conent) but share the cost with the same people.

A great example of how this could benefit everyone involved is Selenas sales thread. She will get a lump sum for $1k and 20 buyers will get a great pack of semi-unique layouts and glitters. So the buyers have some great new content and the designer makes a good amount for the work done and only has to worry about selling it once for that amount.


At least that is my opinion of how it should work. That way the buyers are happy once they decide on which type of content they want and decide who has the talent/skills to make what they want and the designers only bid what they feel the job is worth and those that provide the best work for the best price make more money. Those designers that feel their work is worth more than what is offered can continue to try to sell custom work and such of course.

[Andria]

^ Completely agree. I think the designers should provide examples of their work, past and/or present, so the buyers can choose who they would rather work with.

I'll provide as many graphics/layouts as needed, I just don't know if I should here or in a new thread when the buyers decide what they want?

[miller2348]

Count me good for $100.

[nsmchris]

MoneyTrain I think you got this thing cooking now. I think things are shaping up well in this thread. I feel most designers will be happy with this deal. We would still be paying custom work rates but for bulk quantities.

On to the organization of this potentially tangled mess. Getting 15-20 ppl to agree on anything will be a nightmare. We already "officially" nominated Scilynt in charge of the money, I'd also vote him in charge of making the final/hard decisions. We all get a certain level of input, but in the end someone has to say ok this is it lets roll. Out of all the people on any of the forums I frequent, Scilynt has been the most helpful and would certainly represent all of our interests well.

110% behind you Ron.

PS. Do you think we should set up a private forum for the ppl who put up the $100 to discuss the business in private once we get going?

[vulcanstudios]

ok I just figured this thing out finally. I've been reading this it's entire existence but never got the purpose of it till now. It's either completely designer oriented or buyer oriented. You have to think bigger in order to understand it. Let's say everyone pitch's $100. Then there turns out to be 50 buyer's pitching. Therefore there sits a pot of $5000. Let's say only 5 designer's work this time and I'm one of them. We all design layouts that would be worth up to $100 when combined each designer's set being worth $20. Therefore my set I designed is worth $20 a sale. But since the buyers are all together I just got hit up with $1000 worth! That's 50 sales in one push! Buyers however just got these 5 designer's are each hit up with their $100 dollar pitch worth. That's how it could work for designer's.

Now let's flip the table.... This time we have the same 50 buyer's pitching to a massive $5000. Except now we have 25 designers. I'm one of them and I design my set of layouts to be $100 worth this time. All of the other designer's amount graphics up to $5000 so we have $5000 worth of goods to sell. Except I get payed my $100 for my layouts like a normal sale. Which is good I just made a sale. but as a designer who is looking for multiple sales.... my content was just distributed to 50 sites for the cost of one...... where'd my intelectual property go?

If you can find a neutral state between these two I'll gladly hop on board as a designer.

[worlddom]

I'm happy to put my name on the list, but don't have the time or experience in this market to input much from a buyers perspective.

I am however 100% happy to leave my decisions to the very capable Scilynt, who I would recommend receive some reward for his time/services.

What I would suggest is that now that there is significant interest then a cut off date be given so that the ball can start to roll. If you reach a total of $2000 a month between 20 buyers then this is manageable, but much more and I would imagine that it would be easy to start losing control. Additional contributors could be added in future months.

[Maz]

I have a list of prices for graphics and layouts at my site here (http://www.i-look.net), although they are negotiable, especially for a bulk order.

[money_train]

scilynt you write really long descriptive post.
please keep them short. it takes really long to understand it.
Just joking man.
i love ur descriptive mails.

now for the concerns of everyone i think we will keep this sale for only 20 Buyers only. Beyond this will not be managable.
if the resoponse is good we start another thread for rest of hte buyers. this way designers get more work and content is a little unque.

also i would recommend setting up 3-4 representatives from the buyers side who work on the deal.

scylint taking the veto and final descions on this. chairmans seat.

i say we give him an hornary membership for free for his time or at 50% what every one feels.

we will need this team to finalize 5 designers so each one gets 400$ which is a good sum for part time work.

now all we need is to get the price for things set.
that scylint, Dean, Money_train and one or two designers should work together to finish.
its the 12th decemeber already and is the holiday season.
so i think we should start collecting money on and delievery starts next month.
we pay in advance before the 1st of every month to be involved in this.

and moving this thread to a private forum is a good idea.

will update the buyers tally later sometime.

[Dean]

Im completely in agreement with Scylint and money_train so far.

My opinion on choosing content is it'd have to be either a poll, where its strictly highest votes wins OR as money_train stated where 3 or so people choose the best content in a varied amount of content.

If anyone would like to add me on MSN to talk further, I have money_train namely Scylint or anyone else please add: dean_richardson@hotmail.com

Started a revolution money_train! :P Just kidding, a mini one maybe :)

Dean

[nsmchris]

Except I get payed my $100 for my layouts like a normal sale. Which is good I just made a sale. but as a designer who is looking for multiple sales.... my content was just distributed to 50 sites for the cost of one...... where'd my intelectual property go? If you can find a neutral state between these two I'll gladly hop on board as a designer.

I agree, there is a fine line here. I think a determining factor is the terminology. We are hiring designers not buying content. From my view the designers will be hired to create custom work for a group of clients. Typically when you hire someone for custom work, the IP is transferred with the work. IE. If I hire XXXXX to do 100 custom graphics at $3 each. I then own those graphics to do as I please. So I imagine that the designers will have to consider that when they give quotes for their work. We have already had a couple say they were in at $2 a graphic and their work is great. Same goes with layouts. I think the benefit of this program for designers is steady bulk work.

[money_train]

ok updated buyers list.

1 money_train
2 Dean
3 nsmchris
4 deep
5 Jazzylee77
6 Rhab
i7 spaceboos
8 foxtrot ( confirmed to me by PM)
9 LinkPromo
10 MyspaceTraffic
11 jdresse
12 sky2k4
13 spaceboos
14 Scilynt
15 miller2348
16 worlddom



Started a revolution money_train! :P Just kidding, a mini one maybe :)

Dean

thanx for your comment.
i am just trying to say thanx to this community that has shared so much with me.
Just a way of saying thanx.

now we need to get the designers organized.
i think dean you should create a poll and take buyers opinion and at the same time short list 3-4 designers for the work.
anyone else intrested should contact dean or me at raghav03@hotmail.com on msn and money_train on skype.

also this is to address the designers who are wary of the organized sale.
This is a win win situation for all of us.
Buyers get regular conent.
Designers get regular work. And we are discussing good price here.
we are not going with quantity but quality is the thing we are after.

so guys lets get this strated.
i am really happy the way this thing is turning out.

20 buyers and we cap this.

scilynt get prepared to deal with the money.
Dean is more than ready for his design valutations.

anyone else has any thoughts lets have them on the board.

[deep]

i think there should be some gens in the package too if its possible!
if someone can make like flash gens that are good, that would be cool!

its working out great now

[money_train]

i think there should be some gens in the package too if its possible!
if someone can make like flash gens that are good, that would be cool!

its working out great now

i agree with you on this.
we can either have them created for this group.
or if something is for sale some where we can negotiate a bulk deal with them.

lot of designers and generators are sold here for special discounts already.

i am really excited about this
lets get started.

[Izzy]

I hope I get this right, but as I am not on the list of designers, could I participate at a later time, I wonder?

[money_train]

I hope I get this right, but as I am not on the list of designers, could I participate at a later time, I wonder?

that should not be an issue.
i think we r going to rotate our designers over a period of time.

[nsmchris]

i agree with you on this.
we can either have them created for this group.
or if something is for sale some where we can negotiate a bulk deal with them.

lot of designers and generators are sold here for special discounts already.


MoneyTrain & Scilynt. I have 2 new gens I'd be willing to work a deal out on if there is interest. Maybe one this month and one next or both this time. If there is interest let me know and I'll give you a nice discounted rate based on 20 ppl.

[money_train]

MoneyTrain & Scilynt. I have 2 new gens I'd be willing to work a deal out on if there is interest. Maybe one this month and one next or both this time. If there is interest let me know and I'll give you a nice discounted rate based on 20 ppl.

thanx for this.
lets get started.
now all we need is to say the word go.
BTW Dean and Scylint. Now all we need is green signal from you.
i need both of you to deside on the on designers and quality.

nsmchris please details on the generator.

am sending a PM to dean and Scylint to post here.

[tyranny]

Put me down for $100. Always looks for some nice content :)

[money_train]

Put me down for $100. Always looks for some nice content :)

1 money_train
2 Dean
3 nsmchris
4 deep
5 Jazzylee77
6 Rhab
i7 spaceboos
8 foxtrot ( confirmed to me by PM)
9 LinkPromo
10 MyspaceTraffic
11 jdresse
12 sky2k4
13 spaceboos
14 Scilynt
15 miller2348
16 worlddom
17 tyranny

this the latest according to me.
anyone missing let me know and i will update it.

i have PMed scylint and Dean to take some action on this.
i am hoping they comment here in the next couple of hours.
one or two clarifications and

we are ready to take off.

[Newyorker]

I might be in as well.

[money_train]

I might be in as well.

you are on. are only 2 more on this list.
there might be some opening if some one backs out.


1 money_train
2 Dean
3 nsmchris
4 deep
5 Jazzylee77
6 Rhab
i7 spaceboos
8 foxtrot ( confirmed to me by PM)
9 LinkPromo
10 MyspaceTraffic
11 jdresse
12 sky2k4
13 spaceboos
14 Scilynt
15 miller2348
16 worlddom
17 tyranny
18 Newyorker

[Callyuk]

Im in for $100 a month put my name down :balloon:

Thanks Dan!

[money_train]

Im in for $100 a month put my name down :balloon:

Thanks Dan!

you are on.

no. 19 in the list.
i am not posting it here.
as it is on this page a couple of times already.

one more and we cap this buyers list for now.

[Selena]

Has anyone come up with a finalized list of the designers that will work on this, at least for the first round?
I'm up for designing, since, until Drew comes back, the other group buy has gone down the drain and i'm finishing up my other orders and well, running out of work and spending money faster than i am making it.

If there was a finalized list somewhere in the thread, i may have missed it, since i only skimmed...but i'd definitely be up for this, i have examples linked in my sig, as well you can ask a lot of members here about my quality..

[money_train]

send a pm to dean
he is working on this.

am checking the other sales thread now.
its delayed like hell thats the reason why i thought of this to get a no. of designers and buyers together.
for a smoother flow of content.

[Andria]

^ do we need to still show examples of our work?

[Scilynt]

I'm still not sure how this is supposed to work. Everyone seems ready and wants to go but it would help knowing the process first ;).

I still like the idea of the buyers group deciding on what they want and how much they want to spend on it. Could be a group vote type thing or have "representatives" to decide for the group but knowing what the majority wants first helps. If we end up with 2k to start then that will be a decent amount to spread out on various types of content.

After it is decided what types of content, I still think it would be easiest/safest to let the designers/coders bid on the amount we have available...so if we have $500 available for generators, all the coders and offer what they are willing to give the 20 people for that amount. Then we (group or reps) can decide which has the best content pack for that price and "hire" that person for that job.

I would rather do that than pick designers first to do various things since it could get really messy that way.

There also needs to be some set rules/guidelines before any money collection takes place so everyone can agree before paying. Some of the initial "rules" I would suggest in general:

--buyers
- buyers understand that the content they are buying is for their own sites only and can't be resold or distributed in any way
- buyers understand that after the content decisions are made and designers/coders are hired there are no refunds (unless the designer/coder fails completely or some other major issue).
- buyers understand that any work that needs to be created after a hire may take some time. Some may be premade packs/generators, some may take some time

--designers/coders
- designers/coders understand that the purchase amount is for x amount of copies of content/apps (however many are in the specific buy)
- designers need to show current work that is their own work and represents what they can and will be doing.
- designers agree to deliver packs in a predetermined, reasonable, amount of time.
- unless agreed upon prior to bid on a project, deisner/coder agrees not to resell the content made for these jobs and ownership rights transfer to buyers (though without resell). May not apply to coders but depends?

Any more you guys think are important to get out before starting?


Although not a rule but something to keep in mind, paypal charges fees regardless what the money is for so buyers will probably need to add a few extra bucks to the total to help cover those...regardless who is going to be the main collector ;). There may also be some currency exchange fees tacked on from various countries as well. Not sure what the fees are off hand but we can check up on it.


I am all for jumping in on this but with the amount of people involved and the amount of money that could add up I would personally like to have some set understandings so everyone is on the same page. But that's just me ;).

[Callyuk]

Looks like i just made it onto the list im new to this forum looks like i was lucky for once :D

Thanks Dan!

[Callyuk]

I think they are all good and important points to make rules need to be put in place otherwise its just going to be a big mess and some one will probly end up losing out.


I'm still not sure how this is supposed to work. Everyone seems ready and wants to go but it would help knowing the process first ;).

I still like the idea of the buyers group deciding on what they want and how much they want to spend on it. Could be a group vote type thing or have "representatives" to decide for the group but knowing what the majority wants first helps. If we end up with 2k to start then that will be a decent amount to spread out on various types of content.

After it is decided what types of content, I still think it would be easiest/safest to let the designers/coders bid on the amount we have available...so if we have $500 available for generators, all the coders and offer what they are willing to give the 20 people for that amount. Then we (group or reps) can decide which has the best content pack for that price and "hire" that person for that job.

I would rather do that than pick designers first to do various things since it could get really messy that way.

There also needs to be some set rules/guidelines before any money collection takes place so everyone can agree before paying. Some of the initial "rules" I would suggest in general:

--buyers
- buyers understand that the content they are buying is for their own sites only and can't be resold or distributed in any way
- buyers understand that after the content decisions are made and designers/coders are hired there are no refunds (unless the designer/coder fails completely or some other major issue).
- buyers understand that any work that needs to be created after a hire may take some time. Some may be premade packs/generators, some may take some time

--designers/coders
- designers/coders understand that the purchase amount is for x amount of copies of content/apps (however many are in the specific buy)
- designers need to show current work that is their own work and represents what they can and will be doing.
- designers agree to deliver packs in a predetermined, reasonable, amount of time.
- unless agreed upon prior to bid on a project, deisner/coder agrees not to resell the content made for these jobs and ownership rights transfer to buyers (though without resell). May not apply to coders but depends?

Any more you guys think are important to get out before starting?


Although not a rule but something to keep in mind, paypal charges fees regardless what the money is for so buyers will probably need to add a few extra bucks to the total to help cover those...regardless who is going to be the main collector ;). There may also be some currency exchange fees tacked on from various countries as well. Not sure what the fees are off hand but we can check up on it.


I am all for jumping in on this but with the amount of people involved and the amount of money that could add up I would personally like to have some set understandings so everyone is on the same page. But that's just me ;).

[money_train]

I am all for jumping in on this but with the amount of people involved and the amount of money that could add up I would personally like to have some set understandings so everyone is on the same page. But that's just me ;).


ok i get the picture completly.
i am game for what ever the the rest of us decide.
my personal opinion is to have 2-3 guys work on finalizing the content that the rest of us will get.
rest of us will give suggestions which these guys will keep in mind while deciding.
But everyones suggestions is not going to used every month.

we are ordering for a group and not custom made to one person this is what needs to be in mind.

About designers.
With the kind of response we have gotten initially i guess there are no issues here.
we have a good no. of designers visting this group and this thread as well.

so i say we roll the dice.

I am game for anyway this thread moves but lets start.
i am going to pm scilynt to post his paypal here.

so everyone who is ready for this unconditionally starts depositing funds.


and i hope i am the first one to do that.

so final list of buyers

1 money_train
2 Dean
3 nsmchris
4 deep
5 Jazzylee77
6 Rhab
i7 spaceboos
8 foxtrot ( confirmed to me by PM)
9 LinkPromo
10 MyspaceTraffic
11 jdresse
12 sky2k4
13 spaceboos
14 Scilynt
15 miller2348
16 worlddom
17 tyranny
18 Newyorker
19 Callyuk


one short of 20 according to this.
lets have the last one come in go go go go go go.

[deep]

hey guyz, i have a generator in mind that i have created for my site and would be willing to give it out to only 20 people for a good price. some of you may already seen it but if you havent go here:
http://www.officialpimpspace.com/

Its like an instance comment/shout box, if we can settle on a good price then maybe i can give it to the group. but theres one thing though, it will only work if you have PHP and MYSQL database since it records all shouts of a user there.

It is completely made by me and Im running v2.0 now which has some really hot skins.

I want some feedback from you guyz since 20 people will be buying this, if most of you dont have MYSQL then theres no point of paying for it since it will only work with MYSQL.

Share your thoughts on this!

[NaSh123]

And I shall be # 20 :)

Just to verify all of this will be simple drag and drop to update contents for the most part right?

[spaceboos]

Im excited to get this going. I havent said much or contributed. Need paypal info.

Just clarifying a few things. We are buying as a group so we will be spending 2k per month for content. Now I think and its not me those that work on all this taking care of payments and finding designers and checking out the designs should get a discount on the monthly cash input. I know everyone does not mind to help But compensation always makes it easier.

As for the group buying so we get 2k worth of fresh content. Do we all get all the content so there are 20 sites with the same content. Also will everything be made for easy upload.

Just wondering.

[money_train]

hey guyz, i have a generator in mind that i have created for my site and would be willing to give it out to only 20 people for a good price. some of you may already seen it but if you havent go here:
http://www.officialpimpspace.com/

Its like an instance comment/shout box, if we can settle on a good price then maybe i can give it to the group. but theres one thing though, it will only work if you have PHP and MYSQL database since it records all shouts of a user there.



thats a good shout generator you have there.
about MYSQL database and PHP. i guess most of are going to grow to VPS or dedicated severs anyways.
if this kind of content is available everymonth i am sure we are all going to grow really fast to need them and pay for them.

i have had discussions with other guys offering me generators and images for this group as well.
another survey generator is being offered to us now.
and i guess i can negotiate better prices on packs that are already selling as well.
i am ready to go and only waiting for green signal from scilynt on this.

RON please lay ur rule format and start collecting funds man.

so i think now is the time to get started and start collecting funds.

i am going to send him a pm as well.

[money_train]

Im excited to get this going. I havent said much or contributed. Need paypal info.
i am as excited on this. its my idea and now i just want to run.
you are 2 on payment conformation.

Just clarifying a few things. We are buying as a group so we will be spending 2k per month for content. Now I think and its not me those that work on all this taking care of payments and finding designers and checking out the designs should get a discount on the monthly cash input. I know everyone does not mind to help But compensation always makes it easier.

now with the way things are going i am the one who is keeping track for most things and i will go with full payment for now. no discounts for me. some greens in the rep will do the job for me.

As for the group buying so we get 2k worth of fresh content. Do we all get all the content so there are 20 sites with the same content. Also will everything be made for easy upload.

sharing with 20 other guys is no big deal. most scripts that are sold online are sold and duplicated in much bigger nos. and all of will be markting and doing other things with the our sites to make them unique and stand out in our own ways.
changing meta tags would be one of them.

about uploading i am sure we will work out a way that the content that we get is easily uploaded.
all we have to know is how many msrs and how many non msrs guys on the group here. i think we can have the designers coding for more then one script for all layouts and generators that will be sold here.


And I shall be # 20

Just to verify all of this will be simple drag and drop to update contents for the most part right?

sure you are and we close further memberships to this group here until collection of funds.
most of the content will be easy drag. and if not i am sure you will have enough help from board members.

[nsmchris]

Do we all get all the content so there are 20 sites with the same content.

Just want to clarify this. My understanding is that the sale is for 20 people not sites. Looking through the names, I image the total sites would be atleast twice that since many run more than 1 site.

Maybe a part of the membership is giving Ron a list of your resource sites so we can get an idea of how many we are talking about and can trace problems with non-members using the content.

Chris...

[Scilynt]

Just want to clarify this. My understanding is that the sale is for 20 people not sites. Looking through the names, I image the total sites would be atleast twice that since many run more than 1 site.

Maybe a part of the membership is giving Ron a list of your resource sites so we can get an idea of how many we are talking about and can trace problems with non-members using the content.

Chris...I agree. I think everyone wants to pay for the right to use it on any of their OWN sites but some people may have quite a few sites, of course. As long as we are getting quality content, and in a lot of cases it will be "unique" to our little group, it will still be pretty limited when it comes down to the amount of myspace users out there. We may all see things over and over but you have to keep in mind that the average myspace users doesn't. And it is probably a good idea to keep track at least a little bit on which sites this stuff will go on so we can watch for anyone distributing it...which of course would be bad :gun_bandana:

[money_train]

put your paypal here and lets start collecting funds ron.
do it now

[Callyuk]

How much is needed to cover the paypal fee ontop of the $100.

I think if some one made a little site or somthing with a user login to acess the content it would make it alot easyer to get and we could all post our comments about them and requests for content net month. and if some one decided not to pay their $100 the account they used could be disabled.

Its just an idea it could be expanded on or disgarded if you dont like it lol :smartass:

[MyspaceTraffic]

I'll be gone for about a week on a trip so I doubt Ill be able to get online soon. Iwill send the payment when I get back around Saturday. Just to let you know since Im on the list ;)

[money_train]

How much is needed to cover the paypal fee ontop of the $100.

I think if some one made a little site or somthing with a user login to acess the content it would make it alot easyer to get and we could all post our comments about them and requests for content net month. and if some one decided not to pay their $100 the account they used could be disabled.

Its just an idea it could be expanded on or disgarded if you dont like it lol :smartass:

good idea.
why dont you create that for us.
i will provide the domain name and hosting for now.
cheers
money_train

[Callyuk]

good idea.
why dont you create that for us.
i will provide the domain name and hosting for now.
cheers
money_train


Heh i would do it but i dunno how to code a user login and stuff.
Anyone else?

[Scilynt]

I like the idea about a site to keep things organized is nice as well. I can also host/pay for a domain if needed but can't code the site that would be needed.



I'm also curious how many people are wanting to just pay upfront without having all the details fleshed out. Some people want to pay right now but I personally like the idea of knowing a bit more about how things are going to be handled before taking peoples money. But if most people would rather just pay and work out the details as we go then I am fine with that.

[money_train]

have sent a PM to all the buyers on the list to post here there approvals on collection of funds and taking this tread fwd.

and while i was doing that i checked my mistake and we have another opening.
spaceboos appeared twice on the list.
here is the final list for now.

1 money_train
2 Dean
3 nsmchris
4 deep
5 Jazzylee77
6 Rhab
i7 spaceboos
8 foxtrot ( confirmed to me by PM)
9 LinkPromo
10 MyspaceTraffic
11 jdresse
12 sky2k4
13 Scilynt
14 miller2348
15 worlddom
16 tyranny
17 Newyorker
18 Callyuk
19 NaSh123

[Jazzylee77]

I'm wiling to take the plunge trusting the majority of those involved with it. Specific mechanics of this buyers club can be ironed out as we go. Seems there is a handful ready to steer things starting out. Go for it.

[foxtrot]

READY HERE .....

Please see PM

Regards
SCOTT
_____

[NaSh123]

I'm ready but I'd like to get some sort of "package" setup, for example we setup like 5 packages then we just vote on it, whichever package wins that's what we get, or something to that effect. Basically so not 1 person is choosing what everyone gets.

My suggestion is some cool new tools and TONS of layouts. Or let's just get a TON of layouts. $2500 worth of layouts is enough layouts to keep a visitor comming back for months to look through.

[money_train]

NaSh123
this will happen in the long run.
but get the co-op of a start
i am asking for people to accept the conetnt that the rest of us will approve.
and i am sure its not a bad deal.
please post if you accept this.


also i am on for this.
thats 3 confirmations already.

[spaceboos]

Ready lets Move.

[jdresse]

Ready here too

[spondishy]

I always seem to see these threads too late...

If a spot is open or becomes open, I'll send $100 via paypal immediately.

Cheers.

[deep]

how much exactly are we paying and to who?

[deep]

I like the idea about a site to keep things organized is nice as well. I can also host/pay for a domain if needed but can't code the site that would be needed.



I'm also curious how many people are wanting to just pay upfront without having all the details fleshed out. Some people want to pay right now but I personally like the idea of knowing a bit more about how things are going to be handled before taking peoples money. But if most people would rather just pay and work out the details as we go then I am fine with that.


Im up for it, but my website can already do that, I have a download section in my website which I dont use b/c dont need it. So if yo guyz want we can use that. With that I can choose which usegroups to allow to access the download content so they can download it.

This would work out perfectly but its upto you guyz and you will have to register.

http://www.officialpimpspace.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=0

For now the download section is open to everybody but I can make it only to a certain group and only members that pay the $100 will be in that group. Let me know what you guyz think. Creating a whole new website is a mess so this is an easier way.
Oh and im not doing this to get new members, just though i'd help since I dont use the download manager at all so I thought it could be helpful in this situation.

[PGZ]

Thats cool of you Deep.

[Callyuk]

IM Ready Lets do this!:gunsmilie:

[money_train]

thats really cool Deep i think we should go ahead with this.

[Rhab]

I am ready at anytime. Forgive me for not posting lately within the thread. I've been trying to stay up on it but should be active here in our group from here on out.

Just a couple things, and again forgive me if I may have overlooked these points.

First in response to money's most recent pm regarding the package deal from primus and vulcan. I've already bought the gens I was interested in from primus, I also bought vulcan's survey gen and am just waiting to receive that one now.

It's a decent deal but I would rather not pay over again for these gens. If the majority does wish to do so I guess I would go along with it and just pick up the ones I didn't get. That brings me to my next point.

I'm ready to begin contributing to our fund. However, I haven't yet seen a clear cut system created yet determining the content we are buying. I know several individuals have been mentioned as those who will judge quality products to purchase, but before we start paying, I think it would be wise to layout exactly the guidelines determining our purchases and clearly state who will be in a sort of manager position.

Quality issue: Naturally we all want quality content. Quality and Preferance are going to be something I think will have to be factored in. With a group of 20, it should not be too difficult to agree on most issues I would think. But we should try to layout at least a few guidelines in how we all agree on making purchases.

For example, I already bought primus' gens. Say most of you haven't and now want to go forward in doing so. Do we not make that purchase because a few of us already got them? Or do those of us who got them support the group and go along with it anyway? Same goes for the type of content. If most like some cars layout package but others don't, as long as it's quality does majority rule?

Personally I feel we will need to be supportive of the group, true quality should be placed above preference to a degree. But because we are all paying, we need to consider this. I don't want to enter into any group environment if we don't have a group mentality and people show individualism and thinking about themselves more. Not that any of us are like that here but honestly most of us do not know each other well enough to determine that at this stage.

The 20: I feel this should be a tightly locked group. The more you add the more money you can get yes, but it also introduces more chance for other "issues" Are we all agreed to keep the number locked to 20? Is this already a given and not an issue anyway? And if someone pulls out, have you decided whether or not his contribution is refundable or not?

If we do have people begin to drop here and there, what system do we have to fill that position? Should we begin now to maintain a waiting list to be fair for everyone and NOT fall into the problem of picking favorites as replacements...?

Lastly for now, I think we should set a due date for ourselves in deciding for a fact that the group is all in, and a due date to have our first share of the money in. Only at that point when everyone is onboard and the money is in the pot should we officially consider consider purchasing any content.

Thanks for reading this far if you did =p I'm really excited to be in the group and looking forward to some great stuff!

Oops, additional: We should definitely move our operation into a specific login site. I'd be fine with going with deeps. Lets move on this or have something setup asap.

[miller2348]

I'm also ready once there is a clear system for what is actually going to happen with the money and where everything is to be held.

[vulcanstudios]

@rhab

Thought I'd drop in to see how you guys are doing. As you already bought the gen I'm as you know completely open to working to meet satisfaction. I'm amazed you'd be willing to go along with the group even though you payed. I keep track of all my sales and have already let Money know that he should get the word out because that way if you as a group agree to buy it then the quicker it's decided the less of you will buy it.

I would be glad to accept a lower payment for the 20 gens. Since you already purchased it just make note of that when pitching for the pot. Make sure to count the group discount.

So don't think your prior purchase would effect it. I'd account for your discount. I'd do the price for everyone in the group (don't want to post specifics on thread) x20 then minus you and whoever has purchased the Quiz Gen's extra.

So don't worry you'd still get group price.

and I updated the Quiz Gen big time so go check that out.

I hope you guys choose to purchase the Quiz Gen. Spent a lot of time on upgrades for things like post to profile.

Thanks,
VulcanStudios

[NaSh123]

Money_train it doesn't let me click on the other script but just to be clear so we are being charged 100 something per person for those generators? What if we aren't interested in one of them for example?

[money_train]

Money_train it doesn't let me click on the other script but just to be clear so we are being charged 100 something per person for those generators? What if we aren't interested in one of them for example?

the admin has stopped the old market place.
too many things going wrong there.
now every seller will have to buy a suscription to post a sale.

now this is the link to his generators in action.
COOL FLASH GENERATORS
http://www.7flashdesign.com/fridge/loader.html
http://www.7flashdesign.com/glitterfactory/loader.html
http://www.7flashdesign.com/countdown/loader.html
http://www.7flashdesign.com/textpix2/loader.html
http://www.7flashdesign.com/textpix/textpix.php
http://www.7flashdesign.com/clock/loader.html

these are six here but i am sure there are 7 that i discussed with him.

First in response to money's most recent pm regarding the package deal from primus and vulcan. I've already bought the gens I was interested in from primus, I also bought vulcan's survey gen and am just waiting to receive that one now.

this vulcanstudios has answered that.
i had this in mind already.
but was waiting for the sellers to answere this.
i was thinking of them refunding the 20$ or 90$ back the person who has already bought them.
but now vulcanstudios has offered refund of the entire first payment.
he is good guy. if i were in his place i would hve done other wise.

Initilally we were planning on creating exclusive stuff for this group.
but guess this is a good deal so we can go ahead with this one for now.

next month onwards we go for creating content only for this group.
and we can discuss rules and other things as we get along.

so guys lets hit it.
cheers
money_train
i

[Dean]

Im ready to put my money in and go ahead.

Ill catch you on MSN money_train to talk about content, my role etc.

Dean

[Jazzylee77]

I've bought the survey gen as well, but ready to go ahead.

[Rhab]

Thanks for working with the group Vulcan, it's very nice of you and professional to make those adjustments. I believe you're one of the favorite sellers here, one of mine at least, and this demonstrates some of why you are a favorite. Thanks again. Also looking forward to getting that survey gen too!

As for getting rolling, how about we set a due date for submitting our first share of the pot. That will also serve to identify each one of us is making the commitment to be a part of the group and is ready to move on.

I still feel we also need to lay out some clear cut guidelines for some of the things I mentioned in my last post. Jumping into something and going on the fly when dealing with people and their money could lead to issues down the road.

I don't want to sound like I'm introducing a monkey wrench or anything, but I think certain details are necessary at this stage. I also think it might make everyone involved more comfortable.

[GREGO]

sorry to be forword I'm not trying to be mean but I'm about 80% sure this is never going to initiate.

[vulcanstudios]

Hey everyone,
As you know there's a deal for one of my generators for you guys already.
If you guys want to do something to feel "initiated" as a group more. Then I have a generator I just whipped up that's real simple and I'll sell it to you 20 exclusively for $3 a piece. This would get you guys content and a feeling that your doing something. And it would be way cheep!

LINK TO DEMO!! (http://myspaceadons.com/Generators/Neon_Signs/)
I still need to edit the size. But this is the current version.

Thanks,
VulcanStudios

[money_train]

I still feel we also need to lay out some clear cut guidelines for some of the things I mentioned in my last post. Jumping into something and going on the fly when dealing with people and their money could lead to issues down the road.

I don't want to sound like I'm introducing a monkey wrench or anything, but I think certain details are necessary at this stage. I also think it might make everyone involved more comfortable.


Rhab How about you coming on the organizing team.
you and miller2348. I think 5 of us is more than sufficient.
money_train
scilynt
Dean
Rhab
Miller2348

for the first month we go with these generators.
Juts to kick start this group.
and next month onwards we do only exculsive stuff.
Like custom generators, custom layouts, custom images and what ever.
no shararing outside this group.


sorry to be forword I'm not trying to be mean but I'm about 80% sure this is never going to initiate.

I agree with u on this.
its not easy to get something like this of the ground.
But i am sure with the way things are happening.
We should be off the ground soon.

If you guys want to do something to feel "initiated" as a group more. Then I have a generator I just whipped up that's real simple and I'll sell it to you 20 exclusively for $3 a piece. !

LINK TO DEMO!! (http://myspaceadons.com/Generators/Neon_Signs/)
I still need to edit the size. But this is the current version.


with support like sellers like vulcanstudio.
i am sure we are going ahead with this.

i have enough of confromations now.
i am just going to add another email to my paypal account.
and lets start collections.
Worst case scenirio.
Every one gets a refund. (No paypal fee deducation on this)

I have said this a couple of times and am going to say this again.

I AM REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS GROUP GETTING OF THE GROUND.

[Rhab]

Cool generator Vulcan. Looking forward to more great stuff from you.

I'd be happy to come onboard Money. I have a few suggestions I'll throw out to the group when I get a chance. Just stopped by to browse the forum before hitting the sack. I'll post details tomorrow.

[deep]

moneytrain just tell me when the group needs to use the download section on my website.

and i m confused about this whole thing, how much are we really paying $100?
i havent been online much so how much do we pay for generators? is it covered in the group buy or do we have to pay additional?

[money_train]

moneytrain just tell me when the group needs to use the download section on my website.
thanx for this will let you know when we get to that


and i m confused about this whole thing, how much are we really paying $100?
i havent been online much so how much do we pay for generators? is it covered in the group buy or do we have to pay additional?

for a start we are planning on buying 7 generators from primus for 90$ and 1 from vulcanstudios for 20$ total 110$ plus 4% paypal expenditures we are looking at collecting 115$.

And anyone who has already bought the generators from them will be issued a refund on earlier payment of 30$ to vulcanstudios.
Primus has not confirmed this but i guess will agree to this as well.


just waiting for primus to confirm this and then we start collection funds.

[Scilynt]

Seems most people are ready now. Still haven't seen a few on the list post much though. But they can catch up later or have their spots filled.

[vulcanstudios]

Hey I'm heading up to the mountian's but I'll have my lappy so if you guys get a list to me while I'm up there I should be able to fill all 20 orders.

Thanks,
VulcanStudios

[deep]

im ready to send the payment but to who and when will get my stuff?

[deep]

download manager have been fixed up and groups have been added.

http://www.officialpimpspace.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=0

all the users in the group can start registering and i will have admins to manage the download section money_train will be one of them.
include (MSP) at the end of your username when you register and plzz keep the same usernames as MSP. its easier for the admins to manage things that way since there are already 1000members and more joinin each day so lets keep it organized.

money_train when you join let me know so i can promote you to admin and we'll see how that works out.

[Selena]

Forgive me for asking this again...but has anyone come up with the designers for the group?

[Jazzylee77]

include (MSP) at the end of your username when you register and plzz keep the same usernames as MSP.

Just to be clear. I should register as jazzylee77MSP?

[spaceboos]

Hey guys im in at the forum fpor download. Im very busy with my sites getting traffic right now but if i dont see this when pay time come please PM me. After a few more weeks i should be able to contribute some time here.

Thanks

[deep]

Just to be clear. I should register as jazzylee77MSP?

should be jazzylee77(MSP)

so we can have the MSP members organized but im waiting for money_train instructions on how this will go

oh and you wont see the MSP folder under downloads since its only for the MSP members, once u register and i move you to MSP members group then you'll see it. but its there, i just realized that now when i checked it as a guest.

after you register just send me a little pm with your pm and i'll add you to the MSP group! :)

[money_train]

ok guys i think we have had enough talking and laying rules.

now is the difficult part.
putting real money at work. Shelling out cash.
lets start collecting funds and take things from there on.

a lot of members have given confirmation to go with the flow.
so i am starting to collects funds now.

please paypal 100$ each to raghav03 @ hotmail.com (remove spaces)

once we have some funds we go looking for designers and content creaters.

also we can start smaller if we dont hit 20 people.
10 should be a good start as well.
the more the merrier
the more the more difficult to handle as well.

so guys lets get started.
cheers
money_train

[fryman]

Could someone sum up what this thread is about? I am kind of lost and don't understand

[money_train]

Could someone sum up what this thread is about? I am kind of lost and don't understand

ordering content -glitters, layouts, images, generators as a group.
hiring desiners to create stuff only to be shared by the group members.
and buying stuff cheaper for bulk deals if available.

something like selenas pack but with more designers and repeating the same every month.

send me a pm for more.

[spaceboos]

I sent my payment ready to go Lets get started.

[money_train]

im ready here is my deposit hopfully its not for generators but eh just go with the flow

this is the kind of support and trus that can only take things forward. thanx for your support.
payment recived list

1. spaceboos
2. money_train ( i am collecting)

also an update about paypal charges.
i have recieved 95.80$ and have been charged 4.20$
basic fee 3.7$
cross border fee .5$

also
if for some reason ( i dont see that happening though) i will refund this money.
and you get credited 100$ paypal reverses the fee charged on refunds.

so guys lets have some funds and make the next move.
i am really excited about this.

[money_train]

Update
payment recived list

1. spaceboos
2. money_train ( i am collecting)
3. jdresse
keep them coming.

[Rhab]

Forum account created: Rhab(MSP) I'll send my payment in asap.

[nsmchris]

Is the first group purchase still generators or will it be glitters and layouts?

Chris...

[Andria]

Forgive me for asking this again...but has anyone come up with the designers for the group?
and this is the list of designers interested to work for us.
Selena
eileen
deep
rocktheboat911
Andria
Tfdesigns
Christine
Maz


Not sure who exactly, not sure if we have to send examples? Not sure of anything at this point, designer wise. I think they are gonna wait till they have all the money to pick ppl?

[money_train]

Is the first group purchase still generators or will it be glitters and layouts?

Chris...


am just collecting funds. and then will decide among the group which way to go.
I think with the way things are shaping up we are going to go for content and not generators.

am collecting funds to gauge the amt of members actually intrested and then we take things from there.


Not sure who exactly, not sure if we have to send examples? Not sure of anything at this point, designer wise. I think they are gonna wait till they have all the money to pick ppl?

Dean will get back to you on this once we have some funds collected.

[deep]

Forum account created: Rhab(MSP) I'll send my payment in asap.

all the users that registered have been updated as MSP members and money_train have been promoted to admin.

http://www.officialpimpspace.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=0

remember if you dont not pay then you will be removed from the group so you wont be able to download any of the content.

once everyone pays i will ask for the full list and then give them the permission to download the content. there will be two different packages one MSRS and the other Non-MSRS. you will allow to download both.

im not sure how this will go but once everyone pays hopefully this will workout.
another thing im planning on doing is keeping all the content from every month so if anybody needs it later on you can download it but this will be discussed with the you guyz on how you want to do it.

k well thats it from me, keep it up


question: so is the generators deal out of the way?

[money_train]

question: so is the generators deal out of the way?


we are not sure about this as yet.
will decide on this with the concent of the members.
about creating on account on officialpimpspace and details of download and other things.
thats step 2 again will go with the group choice.

first of all i am just gauging the commetiment of this group as a group.

and remember everyone cannot be pleased in a group.
Most of us will have to be flexible enough to accomodate other guys here.

and further more.
if by any chance someone wants to quit any time full refund will be made to him or her.

Till last count.
total contribution 500$

1. spaceboos
2. money_train ( i am collecting)
3. jdresse
4.jazzylee77
5. deep

further,
vulcanstudios has informed me on pm that he is willing to make exclusive generators for the group.

[Callyuk]

Are you saying i need to send 104.20 to cover fees?

Merry Xmas All and a happy new year have fun!:santa:

[Jazzylee77]

Are you saying i need to send 104.20 to cover fees?

Merry Xmas All and a happy new year have fun!:santa:

Just chip in the $100 and what is left after fees is used for group buys.

[money_train]

UPDATE
total contribution 600$

1. spaceboos
2. money_train ( i am collecting)
3. jdresse
4.jazzylee77
5. deep
6.foxtrot

at this rate we should be ready this week.
keep them coming.

Also anyone who was not on the list before and is willing to give the group unconditional support is invited. please send payment to raghav03@hotmail.com

merry christmas eveyone.

[money_train]

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU ALL.

We are already seven and growing.
total contribution 700$

1. spaceboos
2. money_train ( i am collecting)
3. jdresse
4.jazzylee77
5. deep
6.foxtrot
7. Callyuk

Also anyone who was not on the list before and is willing to give the group unconditional support is invited. please send payment to raghav03@hotmail.com

[money_train]

We are already EIGHT and growing.
total contribution 800$

1. spaceboos
2. money_train ( i am collecting)
3. jdresse
4.jazzylee77
5. deep
6.foxtrot
7. Callyuk
8. Rhab

[PGZ]

Im interested but what if you guys go and buy stuff I already have on my sites which looks like will be your 1st buy ?

What will I get for my $100 ??

[Jazzylee77]

At least one of the designers has promised to refund prevous buyers of generators. This would be a good standard to hold in such situations.

[vulcanstudios]

Yep, also PGZ I recently developed a generator that uses a special font developed by someone else. I contacted the font developer and he has given me permission to sell it! I haven't sold it at all so if the group wants it it's exclusive to the 20 in the group and NO ONE else, it can't even be reproduced since only I have permission from the font owner. I've PM'ed you with details.

[money_train]

Im interested but what if you guys go and buy stuff I already have on my sites which looks like will be your 1st buy ?

What will I get for my $100 ??

what ever the group decides.
we started this thread with a motive to hire designers and do exclusive stuff for us.
and i think thats what we will be sticking to.

we are also looking at buying some packs sold here and other places for huge discounts. something like 30-35% for the seller is getting 15-20 sales in a flash.

once we have funds at one place we start looking at various options.

send 100$ to raghav03 @ hotmail.com (remove spaces) to reserve a spot

[dude]

edit****
Money sent check email

[money_train]

We are already NINE and growing.
total contribution 900$

1. spaceboos
2. money_train ( i am collecting)
3. jdresse
4.jazzylee77
5. deep
6.foxtrot
7. Callyuk
8. Rhab
9. Dude

Now that we have enough funds. i think i should start discussing this with designers.

[Callyuk]

Isnt it still worth waiting for more people because the more money in the group the better, give it another 2 days i think

[money_train]

Isnt it still worth waiting for more people because the more money in the group the better, give it another 2 days i think

i never ment celing collections here.
i was just trying to say that now we have enough to start negotiations with designers.
its christmas today so we will will start in a day or so

the group celing is at 20 members
but if we are only 10-15 by this month we start rolling the ball for sure.

thank you everyone on your support for this.

[nsmchris]

I'm still interested if we go with mainly glitters/layouts.

Chris...

[Jazzylee77]

yeah, sorting out who has what generators or needs a type of script could be problematic, though I won't be a stick in the mud about it. I'd prefer a focus on original graphics.

[Callyuk]

Well
I think we should go for a pack of about 150 layouts
3 or 4 generators
200 glitter images
50 contact boxes

JUst what i think for the moment it all depends on how meny more people pay we could grow on that but personaly im looking for more layouts then generators and glitters.

[money_train]

We are in two figures guys. 10 and counting.
total contribution 1000$(minus paypal fees)

1. spaceboos
2. money_train ( i am collecting)
3. jdresse
4.jazzylee77
5. deep
6.foxtrot
7. Callyuk
8. Rhab
9. Dude
10. Worlddom

about the content we are going to arrange.

i think i am going to second Jazzylee77 on this.

we will have to go for unque high qulalit stuff exclusive to this group.
Otherwise will not be able to organize this group.
New generators that will be offered we will consider them.
But the ones that are already for sale and have been bought by some of the members i think we will have to pass them.

we are still open to discussions.
i would like all members who have payed to come fwd and write what they are wanting so we can start finilazing things.

[MyspaceTraffic]

I agreed that we should just stick with unique content such as glitters and layouts ONLY. I just don't like the thought of having to pay for a generator that I have already.

Payment sent.

[Selena]

Though i'm not a buyer, and would prefer to be a designer, let me just say. I think you guys are better of sticking with unique content like layouts, contact tables, icons, glitters, cursors (maybe), and just different types of images/layouts for at least the first round. That way you guys can make sure things go smoothly.

[money_train]

. 11 and nine to go
total contribution 1100$(minus paypal fees)

1. spaceboos
2. money_train ( i am collecting)
3. jdresse
4.jazzylee77
5. deep
6.foxtrot
7. Callyuk
8. Rhab
9. Dude
10. Worlddom
11. MyspaceTraffic

now we need volunteers with this group who could get some content sourced.

i am travelling for the next 3 days but will keep a track of this thread.

With this pace i am hoping to hit 20 by 31st December,2006
good note to end the year.

[Rhab]

I believe our main focus should be on original, unique content. For example, big focus on high quality layouts. Unique, original glitters and graphics. Generators are nice, but content is what is going to bring back repeat visitors/business on a regular basis. Most people are going to use a generator only so often. Now, if we can get a coder or two to design generators exclusive to our group alone, that's a different story, but if it is a great gen, they would be stupid to limit it to a group of 20 when they could make bank to the population. But anyway, my personal preference is on layouts, glitters, images, etc...

I'll put some feelers out for some designers on my end and see what I can find. Selena, did I once catch in a post somewhere you know the designers who make the layouts for freeweblayouts.net? If so would you mind putting me in contact with them please? Layouts of that quality would be nice to grab. I'm sure they're about the most expensive you'll find, but honestly I'd rather have 20 quality layouts like that than 50 or so average layouts. But that issue is something we'll need to discuss along with price anyway. Let's just get the contacts going now so we can work out the deals. I would think regular business with the designers would also give us a better price.

[not2late]

Count me in on this one. money_train, I deleted the msg with your paypal addy email in it from earlier.

Just pm me your paypal addy and ill send the 100 over.

[Selena]

I believe our main focus should be on original, unique content. For example, big focus on high quality layouts. Unique, original glitters and graphics. Generators are nice, but content is what is going to bring back repeat visitors/business on a regular basis. Most people are going to use a generator only so often. Now, if we can get a coder or two to design generators exclusive to our group alone, that's a different story, but if it is a great gen, they would be stupid to limit it to a group of 20 when they could make bank to the population. But anyway, my personal preference is on layouts, glitters, images, etc...

I'll put some feelers out for some designers on my end and see what I can find. Selena, did I once catch in a post somewhere you know the designers who make the layouts for freeweblayouts.net? If so would you mind putting me in contact with them please? Layouts of that quality would be nice to grab. I'm sure they're about the most expensive you'll find, but honestly I'd rather have 20 quality layouts like that than 50 or so average layouts. But that issue is something we'll need to discuss along with price anyway. Let's just get the contacts going now so we can work out the deals. I would think regular business with the designers would also give us a better price.

I know one of the designers there, but she's not the one who creates the wonderful celeb layouts and such that you find there. She creates layouts that are more on the cute/girly style.

I've been working on my layouts lately and I'd say i'm pretty up to scratch with doing layouts of the same style as fwl. You guys should point out to whoever you delegate as layout designers whether you'd like the layouts to have contact tables and ext network banners or not. Its a nice plus, but will make the layouts worth more money.

[Rhab]

Good point Selena on the contact tables and network banners. Personally I would suggest we factor them in for the complete package.

[Jordan]

I'm pretty lost in this thread, so I'll ask anyway...are you still looking for designers? If so, I'm interested.

You guys should point out to whoever you delegate as layout designers whether you'd like the layouts to have contact tables and ext network banners or not. Its a nice plus, but will make the layouts worth more money.
Yeah, contact tables and extended network banners definitely make the price/value of layouts go up, layouts are a tad boring without them in my opinion.

[money_train]

Count me in on this one. money_train, I deleted the msg with your paypal addy email in it from earlier.

Just pm me your paypal addy and ill send the 100 over.

raghav03 @ hotmail.com (please remove spaces.)

and i agree that we have to go for content initially.
fresh unique content so we dont have to get into the hassel of checking if some one has bought and some have not bought.

now we have to keep a balance between quality and quantity.
i suggest we go for 60% high quality content and 40% high volume content
so we have an even mix of content on our sites.

also i am sure most of us here are not going to stick to only this. most of us will also buy other content that is on sale here.

i am going to send a pm to all the designers who volunteered earlier.

Bottom line its unique content for the first round i guess

[spondishy]

Hi,

$100 sent over. Looking forward to some content on my site.

[Scilynt]

I'm still in although things have changed to all graphics/layouts now. I still think the easiest way to find designers is to decide on the type of content (layouts, glitters, cursors), decide how much to spend on each pack and then make a post where designers can bid on it. Then we can decide who to give the job to based on what they bid and their past work examples.

For example, if we decide that we want a pack of comment glitters and want to spend $250 for them we make a thread where all the designers bid on how many they can provide, what specifically they would like to provide and show some samples. We then choose one person to do that job. Then another post for another type of pack. Designers could bid on whatever they would like to do and only post what their best offer is. That way they get paid what they feel is fair if they get accepted and we get the best package possible.

[Jordan]

^ that's a good idea. I'd be sure to 'bid' as a designer.

[money_train]

. 12 only 8 spots left
total contribution 1200$(minus paypal fees)

1. spaceboos
2. money_train ( i am collecting)
3. jdresse
4.jazzylee77
5. deep
6.foxtrot
7. Callyuk
8. Rhab
9. Dude
10. Worlddom
11. MyspaceTraffic
12. spondishy

[Rhab]

Scilynt has the right idea. It's ok to go out and look for designers as well, but for our regular course of business, we should follow that model in my opinion.

[nsmchris]

Since it looks like we are in for original content, I'm in. I just pp'd my $100.

chris...

[money_train]

. 14 only 6 spots left
total contribution 1400$(minus paypal fees)

1. spaceboos
2. money_train ( i am collecting)
3. jdresse
4.jazzylee77
5. deep
6.foxtrot
7. Callyuk
8. Rhab
9. Dude
10. Worlddom
11. MyspaceTraffic
12. spondishy
13. Dean
14. nsmchris

original content is where this group is going for now.
we now need some themes so we can have designer to work on.
i am looking at purchasing this for now.
i really like the layouts.
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=195457

please suggest on this.

[Scilynt]

. 14 only 6 spots left
total contribution 1400$(minus paypal fees)

1. spaceboos
2. money_train ( i am collecting)
3. jdresse
4.jazzylee77
5. deep
6.foxtrot
7. Callyuk
8. Rhab
9. Dude
10. Worlddom
11. MyspaceTraffic
12. spondishy
13. Dean
14. nsmchris

original content is where this group is going for now.
we now need some themes so we can have designer to work on.
i am looking at purchasing this for now.
i really like the layouts.
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=195457

please suggest on this.Personally, unless people want something specific, I think it is a bad idea to limit the designers to specific themes. Maybe a general idea of what we want (cute, stylish, grunge...) but stating specific themes might not give them enough options. It would probably make it easier if we left that as part of the designers bids. They can state how many they can do at whatever price we state and they can explain what kind of themes their pack would include. If they wanted to consult with us to see what the general group wanted that would be easy enough.

I personally think the only things we should set are the specific requirements, like for example:

each layout should have:

background image/effect
designed css
network image
contact image
thumb of backgroun or layout in use


...just as an example. We could also require they are made in a speicific way/naming convention (like if most buyers are MSRS owners we could ask the layouts be delivered that way.


As far as that link, those are ok but I personally would prefer a bit more design. For the most part those are just background images using copyrighted material and nothing more ;).


Of course this is just my opinion and I am open to what the group decides/wants.

[Maz]

I personally think the only things we should set are the specific requirements, like for example:

each layout should have:

background image/effect
designed css
network image
contact image
thumb of backgroun or layout in use

I also add an "online now" icon to layouts. That's not really relevant but I think they add a nice touch. :P

[Callyuk]

. 14 only 6 spots left
total contribution 1400$(minus paypal fees)

1. spaceboos
2. money_train ( i am collecting)
3. jdresse
4.jazzylee77
5. deep
6.foxtrot
7. Callyuk
8. Rhab
9. Dude
10. Worlddom
11. MyspaceTraffic
12. spondishy
13. Dean
14. nsmchris

original content is where this group is going for now.
we now need some themes so we can have designer to work on.
i am looking at purchasing this for now.
i really like the layouts.
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=195457

please suggest on this.

Well the screen shots they are showing there just look like 1 main background and thats it i dont see contact boxes or extended so basicly your paying for wallpapers?

[spaceboos]

Im in for that content.

[not2late]

Payment sent.

Would we be able to go the route of paying designers like $5 - $15 per layout to do some really high quality designs that have like background + extended network + contact box.

Im not much of a fan of the large single image background layouts, though it wont bother me much if we go that route as long as we dip into the high quality stuff on ocassion.

[Rhab]

Personally those are the type layouts I would prefer to stay away from. Like someone already said, they are merely wallpapers. Each one of us could whip those up in no time at all.

If we are going for unique, original content, that is what we need to focus on. Unique and Original, that layout pack is neither. I'll get back on this asap with some follow up but I would strongly urge against such layouts!

[money_train]

. 16 only 4 spots left
total contribution 1600$(minus paypal fees)

1. spaceboos
2. money_train ( i am collecting)
3. jdresse
4.jazzylee77
5. deep
6.foxtrot
7. Callyuk
8. Rhab
9. Dude
10. Worlddom
11. MyspaceTraffic
12. spondishy
13. Dean
14. nsmchris
15. Scilynt
16. not2late.
ONLY 4 SPOTS LEFT.

i dont have an eye for layouts and will go with other guys on this.
now we have chash-lets get some designers to come here and exhibit there layouts and other content.

[Izzy]

Woah, a few days later and i'm terribly lost. =[
Sorry if this has been in the thread, but how is the designer switch thing going to work?
Thanks.

[Andria]

The layouts should be neat and clean, all different categories, with banners, contact boxes and a background. Only thing is, you'd have to tag them yourselves (buyers) b /c it would take way too long for us (the designers) to make 20 copies and tag each one. Same with the graphics, if you are all sharing the graphics, we can't make so many copies of one graphic and tag them all. First, they won't come out exacly the same (extra work), second it would triple the time frame of when you will get your stuff. Unless you have a plan on it?

Each designer should get a set category for certain things, so we don't make the same exact type of layouts or graphics.

Example:

Say it's me, Selena and Nicole (just an example!)

Selena does thanks for the add graphics
I do comment back graphics
Nicole does showin some love graphics

Or assign two designers per category, just putting my input in since I was PMed about it lol.

[Maz]

Each designer should get a set category for certain things, so we don't make the same exact type of layouts or graphics.

Example:

Say it's me, Selena and Nicole (just an example!)

Selena does thanks for the add graphics
I do comment back graphics
Nicole does showin some love graphics


Or, (using you three as an example again) you each make a couple of each graphic. Say, for example, ten of each graphic was wanted, you could each make three of thanks for the add, comment back etc etc with each of you making four of one category (making ten).
That way there are different styles.

[Dean]

I think the next stage is to create seperate threads for the designers to bid in?

If thats right that will get us alot closer to actually getting content/exhanging money :)

Dean

[money_train]

one of the ways of organizing this could be fixing price for a quality layout or glitter or anyother content and then letting the designer submit there layouts to a quality inspection team.

for example we fix the price of a layout at 6$ and glitter at 2.5$.
50% of budget on layouts thats 1000$ for 6$ each we get 166 quality layouts and
50% glitters- so for 1000$ at 2.5$ a glitter we get 400 glitters.

This good price for a designer to give us high quality layouts and glitters i guess and thats a lot of content for 100$ for a buyer i guess.


again this is just an example we can work on the price issue as well
keep the designers happy and motivated to work for this group.

if this is good we just have to establish a quality inspection team.
volunteers needed.
i propose
1. Dean
2. Scilynt
3. Rhab
4. Money_train Me
5 Miller234
6. Deep

i think this should be more than sufficient to judge the quality and get things started.

just my 2 cents.

[Callyuk]

I think the next stage is to create seperate threads for the designers to bid in?

If thats right that will get us alot closer to actually getting content/exhanging money :)

Dean

Yeh i think we need to start that so we can get closer to the designers starting the designs.

[Rhab]

Ya we need to start a new thread for our first package. Money as sort of our lead on this, maybe start a new thread for say a content layout package. Choose what we want to initially spend and request bids along with sample work from any designer interested. From there place a time frame for the bids and at the end of the time frame we'll choose our package and go from there.

It doesn't even have to be limited to one specific designer either. Keep in mind for example if we want say 200 layouts for example, that would take a bit of time for one designer. As long as quality is up to snuff, breaking that number down into more manageable numbers per a few designers would keep the standard high and get us the packages quicker.

We're ready to buy, so lets get it started. Post a thread for bids. Lets decide how much we're ready to spend and get it rolling. I'm up for any amount the group decides.

My personal preference would be a package for layouts to include contact and extended banner.

[Callyuk]

Im also mainly looking for layouts with extented and contact boxes

Artist, cars, game and Television themed ones

[Dean]

Yeah I think most would agree it needs either a contact image no matter what, and then network is a plus.

Im guessing money_train will be making the new threads or Scylint so lets get this rolling :)

Dean

[money_train]

hey you guys did not comment on my idea.
Lets fix a price for the layout and glitters and then ask the designers what they are good at.
i am sure if we give them a good price things will move fwd.

now on starting a new thread i am not sure what to put in there.
So, according to me, to get thing going fwd this is what we need to do.

1. Set up some quality management rules. ( i will want some one with a designers eye to do this)
2. set up an inspection team
4. Pricing of layout and glitter (
3. setting up % budget on what to buy
personal opinion 60% layouts thats 1200$
40% glitters thats 800$ for the first month

please comment on this
if needed i can start a new thread but am not sure what to put in there.
lets keep it here till we dont reach a plan.
need some active participation now.

[deep]

from the designers side:

here is how you guyz should choose the designers

the prices are already decided for each layout and glitter so the next thing is getting designers that would settle for that amount and would show you some examples.

i would suggest make a new thread where all the designers could show 2 examples of layouts and 2 examples of glitters that they can make. then its up to you guyz to decide who you would want as designers.

offcourse there would be multiple layouts and glitter designers to make things easier and get done wit fast.

this is just my opinion but i read the last few posts and everyone seems they want to see some examples so this would work out and give u an idea of what the designers can do.

oh and another thing since the layouts details have been given, I would suggest that the buyers give some details on the glitters too.
I would prefer for all the glitters to have graphics in it and not just words that say "comment back" since we are paying a good price.

[Selena]

I'd be willing to start off a new thread for the designers, get a nice system going for the thread and instruct them exactly what they need to show.

And about the glitters with pictures, i agree, although most of my glitters have only been words in the past, im sure most of us could agree that those with pictures generally look better, or at least with more than just straight letters, they should at least be arranged differently, like arched, or curved or something to make them look like they haven't just been generated from a generator.

So if everyone agrees on a new thread for designers, i'm all for being the first one to layout the guidelines for what they should show.

[money_train]

suggest guidelines here.
suggest final prices here. the price i indicated was just a suggestion.
other suggestios on this thread.
so once we go on to the other tread we are not giving suggestions just voting and commenting on quality.


all suggestions and other should be finilized before we move fwd.

acutally we have covered one really big step and that is collection of funds.
now i guess its just simply arranging rules.

selena get all the designers to post here.

[Selena]

As far as guidelines, here is what i have come up with.

Layouts:
1. All layouts REQUIRE a contact table and a background, and may OPTIONALLY and much appreciatedly include an extended network image/banner
2. Layouts must have some sort of designing on them that indicates that they are not just wallpapers with coding.
3. Layouts are not to be used or resold anywhere else, not sure that we can assure that in any way really, since we can't tag 20 copies.
4. Not sure if they are, will edit this post if so, are these layouts supposed to be MSRS compatible. If so, what about other buyers who do not have MSRS?
5. All layouts should include thumbnail image, either of the layout in action, or just the background, preferably the layout in action

Glitters:
1. Glitters should NOT be made using generators
2. Glitters will be tagged by the buyers, not the designers, unless someone wants to volunteer (doubt it)
3. I'm guessing we want a rule that all glitters should have some sort of image, clipart, or cute little shape with it, not just plain straight text with no images or decorations.
4. Should glitters be named according to what the phrase is, for instance, thanks for the add images should be named thx4add1.gif, thx4add2.gif to make uploading and sorting easier?

That's all i've thought of, any other suggestions for guidelines i can edit in, and will add to the first post if need be. Also money_train, are there any important facts which you'd like me to add to the first post, so they are not missed in these multiple pages?

[Jazzylee77]

I'd like to see menaingful names for the files. Helps with search indexing.

as far as layout msrs compataibility. I have started using a program called file boss that makes it easy to add one file to many folders. ading a basic index.php to the category folders and a preview.php to all the layout folders is quick.

[money_train]

those are good guidelines that selena has pointed out.
i guess we stick with most of them.

only thing the layouts have to be made in two formats msrs and general as well.
We have buyers here who have both kinds of sites.

I guess the only thing we need to do now is fix a price for layouts and glitters and start.

so now some nos.
we are 16 members already.
thats a collection of 1600$.
i am guessing we will have 20 members to start with.
now paypal charges 4.2$ for every 100$ in my account.
we will have 2000-84=1916$ in the pool.

we need to divide this over layouts and glitters for first month

I would like to split this over 5 or 6 designers thats 320-380$ per designer per month.
Now its the designers roll here on this tread.

the buyers have done there share by depostiting money with me.
now the designers have to come here and take there share of work.
The work has to be time bound. I would like to finish the first month work by the 15th january 2007 so we can start next months collection after that.

once this is decided here we move to thread 2 where we will only discuss execution of orders.

DESIGNERS PLEAESE COMMENT HERE AND GET THIS STARTED.

[Andria]

Money i'm ready I just don't know what you want me to say or do?

Only thing is, most of us don't know how to do MSRS layouts, so we'll need some help on that. Me for sure.....I don't think Maz knows how either, correct me if i'm wrong Mazzy.

[Izzy]

^ Maz knows how to do MySpace Layouts. :p
Well her site shows them.

Money_Train... are the designers already chosen for final as I would of liked to take part in the glitter section.

[Andria]

^ No MSRS layouts, it's different coding than reg myspace layouts.

[money_train]

first post the price that you want for quality layout and glitter.

and that you will do the work by the 15th.
show us some quality work here.

and about the doing an MSRS layout
there is help on this on the forum.
i think its in the general chat do a search.
DavidR and Scilynt have explained this somewhere in details.
also have ur friends come here and post the same.

[Andria]

Well you said 380 a month per designer? that sounds good to me.....I dunno about the rest of the designers. I'm not picky with prices really....


I sent you a PM with my stuff.

Also i'm ready whenever, i'm just finishing up some graphics for two ppl and i'll have time for this package by the 15th.

[Izzy]

I'll post my examples of just glitters.
I don't mind what price, as I duno how it will work with me not doing layouts.
http://i18.tinypic.com/44gtoau.gif
http://i14.tinypic.com/345oe1s.gif
http://i18.tinypic.com/2vtcgb4.gif

I'll be free everyday for a certain couple of hours so that i'd be fine with the deadlines.


http://i18.tinypic.com/2wekqoo.gif
http://i12.tinypic.com/2q8blgp.gif

[Scilynt]

I still think "hiring" designers at set rates is the wrong way to go. In my opinion, the bidding on specific jobs is safer and could end up with more and better content. Although we want to keep the prices fair for the designers, a little competition is good for everyone ;).


making layouts work specifically with MSRS isn't really hard at all and just requires specific naming convention and directory structure. The files would be the same for any other script so no real converting. Depending on the percentage of buyers who own MSRS it would be nice to have them done in that format...it wouldn't be too hard to use the same files on other scripts (which I would have to do with some of my sites that aren't msrs).

[Emma]

Woah its a bit confusing.

I've gotta do some stuff for some people, but i'm still in. I think it would be better to assign the designers to what there best at, that way you get quick, good quality content.

I'd prefer to do glitters, as i'm stronger in that area.. haven't had a lot of experience with myspace layouts.

[money_train]

I sent you a PM with my stuff.


please show sample here.
as i am not the only one deciding quality here.
i like your glitters though.
very nice
have not seen ur layouts as yet.

Basically what we are looking here is quality.
layouts and glitters and other contents that only professionals can do.
Things that webmasters cannot make on there own.

All talented designers are invited to work here for this group and to create a platform that has not happend till now. Buyers and designers working for the benifit of each other.

thats all.

[Andria]

Well here is my work, i mostly enjoy making glitters but I do layouts as well.

No examples of lays, because the way FWL generates their coding there's no way to preview a certain layout. I can send you the links to the pages they are on though.


Most recent glitters:

http://gif.freeweblayouts.net/glitter/christmas/6.gif
http://gif.freeweblayouts.net/glitter/christmas/2.gif
http://jpeg.freeweblayouts.net/glitter/newyears/6.gif
http://jpeg.freeweblayouts.net/glitter/d1/hlw/7.gif

[money_train]

I think it would be better to assign the designers to what there best at, that way you get quick, good quality content.

I'd prefer to do glitters, as i'm stronger in that area.. haven't had a lot of experience with myspace layouts.

thats excatly what i want to do here.
to let designers to what they are good at.
and that expample of 300$ for designer is just an example we will also be spliting the budget into layouts and glitters say 50-50 and then its about 1k for glitters and 1k for layouts. so 3 designers could take layouts and 3 could to glitters.

[Selena]

I'll post a simple tutorial for all designers if need be. I've done MSRS compatible layouts before, so I know how they're to be done.
Basically:

You have the folder structure like this

The spacing and tabbing wouldn't show up, so i screenshotted and put it into an image.

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m79/radglitters/tut.gif

And i reckon that a buyer can choose which image to make into the 60x60 thumb for each category.

Guys the layouts seem hard, but having done them myself, the only problem i have is taking screenshots of the layout in action, which is tedious since you have to remove the urls when you put them into the css.php, but when testing them in myspace you actually need the urls. Its not hard or complicated once you do it. Any questions feel free to PM me.


Also, another problem. How will we manage to decide what url to put into the myspace layout coding, since everyone will be hosting their images in different places?

[shimmeringgraphix]

Here's some examples of my work--

http://www.shimmeringgraphix.com/images/glitters/happynewyears/happynewyears.gif
http://www.shimmeringgraphix.com/images/glitters/iheartyou/iheartyou3.gif
http://www.shimmeringgraphix.com/images/glitters/brandname/brandname9.gif

For myspace layouts (these are just the backgrounds of course they will be coded...)
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/513/misshiltonaz3.gif
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/6472/singasthoughji5.gif
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/6509/danceig2.gif

Price wise as long as I get a fair share for the work I do I'll be pleased.

[money_train]

selena start a new thread and get the designers organized.
i like scilynts idea but am not sure how to go about it.

i say for first month we go with valentine and love as the theam
so lets have love glitters and valentine layouts.

i am really enjoying the quality that is being displayed here.
i want all that and more on mysite.

now msrs and non msrs issue.
i guess the only option is 2 formats have to be standardized.

all we need to to do is work out a price for this

scilynt you need to post your suggestion in more details here.
step by step with example on how you plan to implement what you have in mind

[Selena]

EDIT// I Will Move all posts and such to a new thread once I see a few more posts. If you all like my format for displaying the examples, i'll try to edit everyone's posts to be in an organized fashion.

Oh yes. In all this I forgot to post my examples. I'd like to not be bombarded with a TON of layouts to do, since we should be spreading this over a number of designers, to make it easy on some of us. Just thought i'd post my examples in case you guys wanted to add me to the list of designers.

These are layouts i've done in the past 3 days for Skize.com
Yu-Gi-Oh (Cartoon): Background (http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m79/radglitters/yugioh.gif) | Ext Network (http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m79/radglitters/yugiohban.gif) | Contact Table (http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m79/radglitters/yugiohct.gif)

Halle Berry (Actress): Background (http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m79/radglitters/hberry.gif) | Ext Network (http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m79/radglitters/hberryban.gif) | Contact Table (http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m79/radglitters/hberryct.gif)

Abercrombie&Fitch Male (Fashion): Background (http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m79/radglitters/abercrombie2.gif) | Ext Network (http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m79/radglitters/abercrombie2ban.gif) | Contact Table (http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m79/radglitters/abercrombie2ct.gif)

Hollister Female (Fashion): Background (http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m79/radglitters/hollister1.gif) | Ext Network (http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m79/radglitters/hollister1ban.gif) | Contact Table (http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m79/radglitters/hollister1ct.gif)

Adriana Lima (Model): Background (http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m79/radglitters/alima.gif) | Ext Network (http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m79/radglitters/alimaban.gif) | Contact Table (http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m79/radglitters/alimact.gif)

Hope this is good for you guys. Now as I said earlier, if chosen, i'd like not to be assigned a large number of layouts to do, since I am quite busy, i'd just like to submit my work and help out a group of wonderful people with some quality content. I don't want to do glitters, i'm getting so sick of seeing them now.

[Selena]

Andria, i'm so sorry, you're post got deleted in the process of me "attempting" to move it to the other thread. something stuffed up, so i hate to make you repost it, but could you do it in the other thread that i've just sticked in the designer's corner.

The rest of you designers who are interested can make a new post in the new thread if you like, to keep everything organized. Everyone can post their examples there so that everything is organized.

PLEASE keep all discussion still in here and limit that thread to example posts only.

[Scilynt]

scilynt you need to post your suggestion in more details here.
step by step with example on how you plan to implement what you have in mindMy idea is just to make bid threads for the packages we want and then see what the designers bid and choose the best person for the job.

So lets say we decide we want to spend $250 on comment glitters. So we post one thread for comment glitters and ask all the designers to post what kind of package they can offer for our budget of $250. Some may only want to make 200 comment glittlers and will post the specifics of what they will do with links to examples. Some may be willing to do 400 for $250 but maybe their quality isn't as good as the other one. After we get all the bids from all the interested designers we (the quality team) can decide on which bid is best for the group...maybe the best mix of quality and quantity that we like. Then once we decide we hire that designer for that job and they agree to deliver the package by a specific date and such. So think of it like a scriptlance type thing where we see what people will do for a certain amount and decide which is best.

Then we just have separate threads for each type of package we want...so maybe some for image glitters, comment glitters, holiday glitters, layouts...and so on.

Make sense?

[Selena]

^^Scilynt, that sounds like a wonderful idea, but coming from the point of view of a designer, it doesn't end up fair. Obviously Scriptlance is based on coding, and while coding probably takes talent, making graphics takes talent and skill to make quality.

Lets say person A wants to do 200 Glitters for 200 dollars and person B says that they'll do 150 glitters for 200 dollars, but their glitters are a little higher quality than Person A.
Say you guys choose person A and B based on their prices, and have them split the package so you have a balance of quality and quantity. Won't person A feel as though they are getting jipped since person B is getting paid a higher amount per glitter than person A? Then you guys are forced to tell them that their glitters are a lesser quality.

It sounds good but i can definitely see some flaws developing in the system you know. But then i can also see flaws in the other system too. So whatever everyone else chooses i guess i'd be fine with as well.

[Scilynt]

Well the idea I was talking about, the packages wouldn't be split up and only one person would be chosen per specific job/pack. The various jobs/packs could be set at whatever level we want...so maybe 3 different $100 packs and we could end up with 3 different designers or maybe just one for all 3 jobs if they have the best offer on each.

And that is where the buyers team comes in. Maybe one designers offer is less items but has better quality than someone else. Sometimes quality will win over quantity but sometimes maybe a designer is making a much better offer than another and even though they have a bit less quality it's still a better deal and we go with that one. It would be up to the buyers team to decide who has the best overall offer for each job.

The idea is to keep things open and a fair competitive market going. In the end, there may be a couple favorite designers that win out most of the jobs because they do top notch work for a fair price or it may end up with lots of different designers doing all the different jobs. Hard to say ;).

[money_train]

what scilynt you are saying is nice but i am not sure how to oganize this.

Will a couple of designers make packs and then we choose one?
in this case the designer whose pack is not chosen would have worked on the pack without any pay.

I think what we should do is get some say 1000$ worth of layouts and glitters on fixed price and the rest on trial system that you are mentioning here.
and we would come to know what works better and adopted it in the future.

what i want from you and other senior memebers here is to fix price and quality standards so we make a go ahead with this.

and we should try love and valentine theam for this month.

i would like to move fwd on this and get the designers to work asap.

we have come a long way and its just a few more steps that this should be smooth sailing month after month.

just my 2 cents.

[spondishy]

I'm with scilynt on this one. We've stumped up the cash, so we must decide what we want to buy?

I suggest we do the following:

1) Decide what we want (this can be one batch of layouts or glitters) and create a thread. In the thread we say what we want and when we want it. We also put a deadline on when the thread closes for bids from the designers.

2) Potential designers tout for the work (including msrs formatting if necessary) with timescales, cost and examples of previous work.

3) Some of the main players decide who gets the job (I don't think every single person needs to say who should get the work).

That would be my starter for 10... Otherwise this'll probably drag on for ages.

[money_train]

i am game for what ever the rest of the gang is.



the theame for this month should be valentine and love
now someone just say the no. of layouts and glitters we want
i say 1250$ for layouts and 750$ for glitters ( guessing we will have 20 by the time we start.)

one more theame for this month and we have selena start a new thread for bidding.

otherwise we go 50-50 half the content on fixed price model and the other half on bidding model we do this for one time and adopt which ever is better.

[icfire]

Where do I signup for $100 a month for the content? I guess we just have to trust eachother that noone goes and resells the content? Can someone please pm me the details?

Thanks.

[spaceboos]

i am game for what ever the rest of the gang is.



the theame for this month should be valentine and love
now someone just say the no. of layouts and glitters we want
i say 1250$ for layouts and 750$ for glitters ( guessing we will have 20 by the time we start.)

one more theame for this month and we have selena start a new thread for bidding.

otherwise we go 50-50 half the content on fixed price model and the other half on bidding model we do this for one time and adopt which ever is better.


I agree here i think the cost difference between layouts and glitters there should be more allocated for layouts. And yes i think Valentines should be our number one target this month.

One thing im wondering has anyone posted outside this forum to recruit. I know we have good designers here already but wouldnt hurt to have a few more post there content.

I would be happy to be the one to post in 4 or 5 other forums for this just give me the ok and im off.

[nsmchris]

I like Scilynts idea on bidding. Since everyone has shown more interest in quality than quantity this should be fair to all the top designers. So lets say we want a 50 piece valentines themed glitter pack. Bids may be XX to XXX. The group then picks the best quality/cost combination.

Chris...

[Jazzylee77]

nodding agreement to the last few posts. A heavier nod to the quality side.

[vulcanstudios]

Well.... Just my input, I think you guys are taking the wrong approach. You should think of it as going to the mall. Each store tells you how much their products are. So you might go to one store and like their layouts they say $200 so you buy them. The next store has the same amount of layouts but their a thrift store so they say $100 so you buy those 2. Then after your doing going to a bunch of stores you look in your wallet see how much you have left and go to a designer and say hey we have $273 left can you design some more?

That way you don't have such a complicated system to follow. You just by what you want for a set price that the designer decides. So if someone selling layouts for $200 for 200 and another for $200 for 150 and you buy from both then bumber for the first designer. They chose that price not you.

[Andria]

You guys have to pick a certain group to do what you want. Like someone said, if all the designers make packs and say you guys dont chose one of the packs, that designer did work for nothing.

It's starting to sound wayyyy too complicated =/

[Emma]

I agree with Andria, i still don't understand it lol.

I think all the buyers should vote who they want to do what, pick say 5 or more designers. See who has the highest quality in glitters/layouts, i know it'll be tough.. as i read earlier you don't wanna tell someone that there content isn't that good. But if its anonymous between the buyers (like the voting), it shouldnt be a problem.

I think you should choose at least 3+ people to do glitters, also 3+ to do layouts. If a designer wants to mix it up.. and do both layouts and glitters, then that would work.

Make fixed prices & amounts, like $1000 for layouts (example amount, like the big package Selena did) between say 3 or more designers. And whatevers left for glitters, between a few people.

A way you could decide on how much to spend on either layouts or glitters, is by to talk amongst the buyers.. ask each one which type of content is their number one choice, then put their share of the money towards buying layouts. Do the same for glitters.

Just some ideas.. its still pretty confusing.

[Selena]

To me, it sounded much less complicatd before we tried changing the system. We just pick a set price to pay the designers, and thats what we pay them. If we set the price at $2 per glitter, then everyone get paid $2 per glitter, to keep it UN-complicated.
If we choose to pay $6 per layout, then $6 per layout it is.
If you guys pick designers who can fufill the right quality, then you won't have the problem of paying $6 for a lesser quality layout. I don't see why you'd want to even pay for lesser quality work, why pay for quality and quantity, i think quality should be the focus and not quantity.

[shimmeringgraphix]

I agree with Selena I don't think you guys should pick a designers whose quality isn't up to standards, but just pick designers with great quality and pay them the same. Therefore you don't have to worry about a huge system and whatnots..

[nsmchris]

To me, it sounded much less complicatd before we tried changing the system. We just pick a set price to pay the designers, and thats what we pay them. If we set the price at $2 per glitter, then everyone get paid $2 per glitter, to keep it UN-complicated.
If we choose to pay $6 per layout, then $6 per layout it is.
If you guys pick designers who can fufill the right quality, then you won't have the problem of paying $6 for a lesser quality layout. I don't see why you'd want to even pay for lesser quality work, why pay for quality and quantity, i think quality should be the focus and not quantity.

Selena, I see your point on this and I agree your system sounds easier. As long as the group picks the top designers and the work is top quality, I'm all for your system. That puts the onus on the group selecting the designers to make sure they select the best. I just don't want the system to be unfair to the best designers by paying lower skill designers the same rate when their work is not. But again, if the group is only selecting the top designers, that should not be a problem.

Thanks for your efforts in this Selena!

Chris....

[Scilynt]

I see what people are saying but a bidding system is the most fair because designers only bid on projects they want and offer only what they personally feel is fair for their time for the given job. We all agree we want quality but that also doesn't mean that various designers, all of which may be up to par as far as quality, will all offer the same amount. One great designer might be willing to do great glitters at half the price of other good designers so in a case like that, if they were chosen it would be quality and quantity.

I personally don't see setting prices as being any easier because the hard part regardless what way we do it is choosing the designers to do the work. But keeping it open bidding we get to see the best offers from the best designers and won't always have the same set of people working if others can show they have some talent.

I also didn't mean to confuse anyone...a bidding thread would just be that...bidding. No one would start doing work until they were chosen the winner of that job so only one person would be doing the work...no wasted work. Only mention this because a couple people seemed confused.

I honestly think it's the easiest and safest as well as the most open way to do it but I am fine going with what the majority wants to do.

[Kyle]

^^Scilynt, that sounds like a wonderful idea, but coming from the point of view of a designer, it doesn't end up fair. Obviously Scriptlance is based on coding, and while coding probably takes talent, making graphics takes talent and skill to make quality.

Lets say person A wants to do 200 Glitters for 200 dollars and person B says that they'll do 150 glitters for 200 dollars, but their glitters are a little higher quality than Person A.
Say you guys choose person A and B based on their prices, and have them split the package so you have a balance of quality and quantity. Won't person A feel as though they are getting jipped since person B is getting paid a higher amount per glitter than person A? Then you guys are forced to tell them that their glitters are a lesser quality.

It sounds good but i can definitely see some flaws developing in the system you know. But then i can also see flaws in the other system too. So whatever everyone else chooses i guess i'd be fine with as well.

Fact of the matter is, you're not going to buy a car from a company that puts on crappy parts just because you can get it cheaper, even though you might crash and burn. If you have to tell someone their glitters aren't up to par, that's just the way it is.

[Rhab]

We gotta try and steer away from anything complicated. I personally agree with Scilynt. A bidding system is the way to go.

For example, for our first purchase, lets just say the group wants 200 layouts and 200 glitters.

The thread we post would be the same. Project: 200 Layouts 200 Glitters. Naturally we would specify some details on themes and such but you get the point. Then the designers place their bids on the project. Some will be better quality than others, all may be on the same level. But each designer is submitting their bid of their own accord. It's up to us to pick the designers. And it may end up we pay more or less, my choosing will be based primarily on quality, price second.

[money_train]

guys hold no now.
i think this is getting too complicated.

my suggestion
we have 1600$ already.
we split this into two parts 800$ each.
with first 800$ we buy 100 layouts @ 6$ and 100 glitters @2$ a glitter.

theame valentine and love for the fixed price.


with the second 800$ we start bidding bidding for
layouts and glitters
here we look at quality and quantity on the bidding system.
theame to be decided by the designers and buyers.


just my 2 cents

[not2late]

guys hold no now.
i think this is getting too complicated.

my suggestion
we have 1600$ already.
we split this into two parts 800$ each.
with first 800$ we buy 100 layouts @ 6$ and 100 glitters @2$ a glitter.

theame valentine and love for the fixed price.


with the second 800$ we start bidding bidding for
layouts and glitters
here we look at quality and quantity on the bidding system.
theame to be decided by the designers and buyers.


just my 2 cents



Sounds like a plan to me. :)

[Andria]

guys hold no now.
i think this is getting too complicated.

my suggestion
we have 1600$ already.
we split this into two parts 800$ each.
with first 800$ we buy 100 layouts @ 6$ and 100 glitters @2$ a glitter.

theame valentine and love for the fixed price.


with the second 800$ we start bidding bidding for
layouts and glitters
here we look at quality and quantity on the bidding system.
theame to be decided by the designers and buyers.


just my 2 cents
Now it's time to pick the designers, right? or am I way off track here lol

[deep]

wow this got even more confusing, oh well!

just my idea that we should choose designers based on a few examples and go from there instead of making them do a package.

once we have the designers then they can work on the packages but im not sure where we goin with this right now!

[Callyuk]

guys hold no now.
i think this is getting too complicated.

my suggestion
we have 1600$ already.
we split this into two parts 800$ each.
with first 800$ we buy 100 layouts @ 6$ and 100 glitters @2$ a glitter.

theame valentine and love for the fixed price.


with the second 800$ we start bidding bidding for
layouts and glitters
here we look at quality and quantity on the bidding system.
theame to be decided by the designers and buyers.


just my 2 cents
Sounds good to me

I only left this thread for a day and i had 2 pages to catch up on lol

:2guns:

[Rhab]

That's fine. My only comment to that is I would definitely not be interested in spending that amount of money, and for that number of layouts/glitters for a seasonal holiday.

Yes, a small package of valentine layouts and glitters is fine, but it's a waste of money to spend that much for seasonal themes. You may or may not get traffic for a couple days, but after that they are useless until next year. Invest on what brings people back time and again.

[Selena]

I'd think a good 25 layouts is the most you'll need for the holiday, if not 15. As for graphics, 25 valentines graphics should be all you need as well. Some really quality ones should attract some visitors and users of the graphics, and the layouts, if anyone uses the layouts.

I know of some nice love photography that shows pictures of people in love and symbols of love that people could use in layouts if they chose, PM me if you need the url.

[nsmchris]

yeah I think 25 layouts (some could be generic hearts that can be reused) and 25 glitters should be enough for valentines day.

We could add in a few more holidays that are close if you want. We could have a couple of funny "Grounds Hog Day" glitters. Some St. Patrick's day layout/glitters would be good. Even some earth day glitters would be nice.

[money_train]

happy new years everyone
some of my observations.
only 4-5 buyers are participating in this discussion. only Rhab, scilynt, nsmchris, spondishy and money_train are takeing part in this along with designers.

I collected the money with an assurance that most will accept good quality content that four or five members will select. And Dean and a couple of others from that list are not participating in this discussion.

This thread is now going hay way with this bidding and other system integration.

so this is what i am suggesting to do for a start.
we buy 15 layouts @ 6$ a layout =90$ from andria or anyone else from the other thread.
and we also buy 50 glitters @2$ a glitter= 100$ from tfdesigns or tab.
( this is just a suggestion i have not had a word with any designer or anything as yet) once we have this we see quality and we go from there.
we can buy multiple packs from 5 or 6 designers.

theame love and Valentine only for this pack.

all we are spending is 190$ from a collection of 1600$ (minus paypal fee).

once we complete this we go buy similar packs from other designers as well on different theame mutually suggested by designers and buyer representatives.

we can also do a trial run with 200$ for a bidding pack as well.
theame has to discussed here thats all.



also we have 4 spots left to get to the 20 buyer ceiling. so if any one is intrested contact me by pm. or just go through this thread from the start.

[nsmchris]

MoneyTrain, I'm totally ok with spending $190 on the valentines theme for 15layouts and 50 glitters. That will get the ball rolling some.

Chris...

[Dean]

Hey,

Sorry its been the holiday season and I have been busy and unable to contribute.

However, ill get back to helping how I can now so heres my view.

I also think 190 dollars is fine with me for Valentines theme as stated above.

This is the max for valentines personally though as its a one day event. ;)

The rest of the money I suggest a heavier sway towards layouts than glitters. (this is my personal preference so obviously doesnt have to go ahead) its just I think $800 will get you a TON of glitters whereas even $400 would probably get enough for one pack this allows for another $400 to spend on layouts, which are the biggest draw to most sites.



My Designer Picks:
Heres what I personally would choose for designers:

Layouts: Andria
Awesome quality and would be happy for her to so as many as she wishes.

Glitters: Izzy, Selena
To me these two have the best style and I would choose these two for the glitters.



Well I hope this helps, as I was suggested to help with the choosing I think above covers my opinions on the designers/content.

I do also think spending the money in smaller amounts is a very good idea. Like the valentines pack to start. Otherwise it gets too complicated. If we like an offer and come to an arrangement for say 50 layouts, just go ahead and get them. Do this until the money is gone.

Finally to money_train. Just a thought that I think it might be worth capping the amount of people as is. Offering more spots at this stage puts us back instead of focusing on content and working with the people we have. I dont mind to much just an idea to keep us moving onwards.

Thanks,
Dean

[spondishy]

Go for it moneytrain... I need content for my site :-)

[Andria]

I'm all for doing valentine layouts, or whatever layouts you need.

If chosen, i'd like to talk with the buyers about specifics. The exact designs you'd want, the size of the layout (ie: the quote layouts are skinnier, the celeb ones are full size), colors, style, etc.

Right now i'm working on glitters for two ppl, usually it takes me 1-3 days to do them but with the holidays, my birthday tommorrow and unfortunally my grandmother admitted to the hospital this morning, time has been limited.

However once I get these graphics done, wich will be by the 5th, I have 10 days to do however many layouts you need. Since you said you wanted it by the 15th, so TRY (no rush) to pick whoever you want for this pack now, so we can get these done by the 15th. If you don't want/need them by the 15th then ignore this part of my post lol.

[spaceboos]

Lets Start getting content i agree with what all of you have to say meanwhile my site is waiting lol. Im sure the content you guys pick will be fine. If i can help in anyway ask im here.

Success Is your Choice Your Choice Always.

[Andria]

Since I got the go to do the layouts, I wanted to say the type i'll be doing and love any input/ideas.

Theme valentines obv, so i'm thinking lots of hearts, with white backgrounds, pink backgrounds, light red, dark red, black for vengance as money said.

Ahh most saying "happy valentines day", the rest saying "i love you" or "be my valentine/be mine".

Any other suggestions i'm up for it :)

[tab]

Can someone please PM me the site urls of all the buyers, if you're lucky I might be bored enough to tag the glitters.

[money_train]

make generic ones (without any tags) and send them to me Dean and Rhab
after checking ur glitters for quality i will have all the buyers send you the urls of there site.
we have not made a list of sites as yet.

[Scilynt]

Since I got the go to do the layouts, I wanted to say the type i'll be doing and love any input/ideas.

Theme valentines obv, so i'm thinking lots of hearts, with white backgrounds, pink backgrounds, light red, dark red, black for vengance as money said.

Ahh most saying "happy valentines day", the rest saying "i love you" or "be my valentine/be mine".

Any other suggestions i'm up for it :)All that sounds fine. Only suggestion would maybe make a couple that are vday oriented but not too girly that a guy might want to use...though odds are there aren't too many guys that would use a vday layout heheh.

Do you already know how to make layouts in MSRS format? If not let me know and I will help out and give you some samples to work with. :)

[Helios]

I just wanted to chime in for a second here and say how impressive this has become. I haven't had time to contribute to this first round, but I've been following this thread everyday. You guys are awesome, these forums are awesome, and it's awesome that this much coordination and teamwork is happening.

Carry on! :)

[Rhab]

Right on helios! And just an off topic comment, it's ok Scil, just admit you're a girly man and want to use a valentines day layout for your own myspace profile. We all still love you, in a manly way though, NOT girly man way.

Back on topic, sounds good Money. Lets make it happen. I'm just really looking forward to getting content going. It's going to be "rough" for us starting out, but we'll get running here soon and work out all the kinks, in a short time I'm sure we'll have it down to a science and be on course for a nice steady stream of monthly content. Really glad you put this together Money, great idea!