Ancient Structures On The Moon

[Sergio]

..filmed by Armstrong in 1969.

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First of all, do you think this is real or fake? Second, do you think it was extraterrestials, or someone who beat the US to the moon? There was +50 races to the moon according to the NATO. They could have been the Nazis, since they had great scientists (we stole some of Germany's best scientists in the 1940's for World War 2).

There's a logo at 2:24 which kinda makes it fake, but it could simply mean they ripped it from a TV show.
http://i7.tinypic.com/7wqky80.jpg

EDIT: The person who posted the video said:
It comes from a very credible non-US documentary, which explains the TV logo on the top left corner and the average resolution. I believe everyone should know.






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[Greg-J]

Interesting. What's the story behind this footage?

[Matt]

I'm confused as what they are supposed to be... lol

[Jordan]

If we can use our telescopes and whatever else to see galaxies that are millions of light years away, don't you think they would have had images of 'structures on the moon' - and good ones at that? instead of relying on footage from almost 50 years ago that could easily be fake?

[Sergio]

Great point. Back in the 60s they could see it with a telescope. In fact in the 40s astronomers observed lighted locomotion on the moon. There are other photos and such that I ll post soon enough. The problem is that all structures were nuked down after been studied to prevent 'social anarchy and cultural degredation'. You see how these people work now?
According to the guy who uploaded the video.

I did some research and supposedly this was filmed in Spain for a movie. I'm not sure though.

Even if this is fake, I'll always be fascinated by this subject.

[jessidel]

the whole moon landing is fake... complete garbage. :alien:

tee hee.

[agoldfinger]

Anyone with an average telescope could have seen that from the comfort of his back yard. Gimme a break.

[bosshogg01]

If you have about an hour and looking for a good read check out http://www.serpo.org/
I've been following this site for about 2 years now

I'd start here after you go to the 1st page
http://serpo.org/release1.php

[NYCBORN]

There are aliens in the water :)

[Greg-J]

Anyone with an average telescope could have seen that from the comfort of his back yard. Gimme a break.
Not that I'm standing up for this videos authenticity, but that's not a very good argument. Astronomy is hardly a strong subject for me, but I do know that the Earth has been exerting tidal forces on the moon for long enough that the moons rotation has slowed (or sped up, who knows) to the point that it now matches the earths rotation exactly. We can't use a telescope (or an orbiting satellite) to see half the entire moon. We always see the same side of the moon. Hence the phrase "the back side of the moon"

Do you really think the moon ET crowd would have gone on for this long if you could personally view the entire moon?

[Jordan]

If you have about an hour and looking for a good read check out http://www.serpo.org/
I've been following this site for about 2 years now

I'd start here after you go to the 1st page
http://serpo.org/release1.php
There are like 500 people saying 'no this is what happened'? :|
I read the first page and where it says: "The Aliens landed and retrieved the bodies of their dead comrades. Information was exchanged. Communication was in English. The aliens had a translation device. " - they lost me there. that's where it started to sound like b.s. but whatever who knows.
if this was a whole government conspiracy, wouldn't they have shut down the site by now?
it was my understanding that the US government was really strict on that stuff.

(sorry if it's sort of crashing the thread lol, back on topic)

The problem is that all structures were nuked down after been studied to prevent 'social anarchy and cultural degredation'.
that's such an obvious answer though. I don't know what to believe if anything :detective:

[Andrew2]

maybe you can watch The Bucket List instead.
http://joox.net/cat/2/id/2006604

This video is already explained to be faked, it looks fake for the quality of the supposed time it was filmed... I think Mars is 2323423423x more interesting than our dusty moon. :O

[Matt]

I think Mars is 2323423423x more interesting than our dusty moon. :O

I totally agree.

[mcfox]

How could it have been filmed by Armstrong when no-one has ever really been to the moon? So it's faked, as were the moon landings.

[Jordan]

the whole fake moon landing 'conspiracy'...god I've given up on it. too many different stories, I don't know what to believe.

[bosshogg01]

there are so many great conspiracys out there

[widget]

the whole moon landing is fake... complete garbage. :alien:

tee hee.

Agreed! Us was just pissed about russia being first in space so they were like **** it we'll just pretend we went to the moon :D

[mcfox]

the whole fake moon landing 'conspiracy'...god I've given up on it. too many different stories, I don't know what to believe.
There's nothing much to really believe except the landings were faked. Plenty of good photographic evidence around showing how photos were doctored and if you search on youtube you'll find some pretty good documentaries where it shows the 'astronauts' on the lunar surface and the moonbuggy, but at twice the slo-mo it's usually played at.

Here's a quick link I dug up:
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/moon.htm

and a better one:
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/iangoddard/moon01.htm

[Ajay]

it's pretty obvious that the moon landings were faked. it's amazing that people believe what the government tells them. take for instance, AIDS... it was actually made by the CIA to thin out the african population, but they didn't expect it to jump the continent. There is documentation about it on youtube and wikipedia.

[bosshogg01]

People are so prone to power of suggestion though. I could make a video saying myspace is really run by Aliens, so they can study our every move and learn more about how our youth acts, and have 20 different "scientist" show you proff of ET on a computer working on PHP code and could have a million people tricked over night.

[agoldfinger]

Not that I'm standing up for this videos authenticity, but that's not a very good argument. Astronomy is hardly a strong subject for me, but I do know that the Earth has been exerting tidal forces on the moon for long enough that the moons rotation has slowed (or sped up, who knows) to the point that it now matches the earths rotation exactly. We can't use a telescope (or an orbiting satellite) to see half the entire moon. We always see the same side of the moon. Hence the phrase "the back side of the moon"

Do you really think the moon ET crowd would have gone on for this long if you could personally view the entire moon?

Yes, it's called "The Dark Side of the Moon", hence the Pink-Floyd album "Dark Side of the Moon", but Armstrong and his astro-mates landed on the side we can see from here. Obviously their landing spot was spotted down from earth and the landing was planned to the feet. So.... if anything existed near the landing spot - they must have seen it from eart (and not only NASA - EVERYONE with a telescope). Actually - even today we know almost nothing about the dark side of the moon because no government was really interested in it.

The reason they sent men to the moon is
A. Political reasons
B. Fetch stones and ground samples from the moon

These two you can't achieve with a telescope.


Other than that people are so fascinated by conspiracy they'll believe any as**ole
with a youtube account or $5.95 website, as long as they say the government is
lying.
That's why The DaVinci Code was such a hit. That's why X-Files was a hit. People WANT to believe. People love it. Modern science fiction - they tell you it's the TRUTH.
Most of this is plain crap and you can't tell between the liars and the hallucinating.
But hey - it's really fun to believe aliens built a Doom 3 structure on the moon, so why not? Enjoy.

[mcfox]

Modern science fiction
The fiction is that man has been to the moon. There's plenty of evidence you can actually study for yourself that points out quite clearly it's been faked but nah, believe as you wish.

[minnseoelite]

this thread could go on for another 40 years. there is no way anyone here can prove anything either way. all of the "proof" that the moon landing was fake could be faked just as easily as the supposed "fake" landing itself...if that makes sense.

<resume pointless debate> :biggrin:

[agoldfinger]

The fiction is that man has been to the moon. There's plenty of evidence you can actually study for yourself that points out quite clearly it's been faked but nah, believe as you wish.

Actually I HAVE studied this matter about a year ago. Using open resources on the Internet of course, but I've spent hours learning this subject.
You may say each of us came to a different conclusion, you may think I'm wrong, but you can't say my conculsion is a result of lack of knowledge.

[agoldfinger]

this thread could go on for another 40 years. there is no way anyone here can prove anything either way. all of the "proof" that the moon landing was fake could be faked just as easily as the supposed "fake" landing itself...if that makes sense.

<resume pointless debate> :biggrin:

Yes it does make sense :)

But conspiracy is much sexier you must admit ;)

[minnseoelite]

i love a good conspiracy theory. i think thats one of the forces that drives people to push forward, to prove or disprove them.

[RKGraphics]

i love space and the universe topics. because you can't really explain it. just to think about the billions of planets and to say the universe is never ending is just our own educated guess. we dont really have proof that the universe doesn't end...however, just the thought of how it would go on and on gives me a headache.

like that one simpsons opener where it zooms out to our planet, then solar system, galaxy, then all the galaxy's, then into molecules, ext until it ends up cycling back to homer's hair. lol. how do we know we don't just live in someone's hair ;)

if we're here, on this planet, and there's other planets out there, just the fact that we exsist should be proof enough that there could be life eslewhere. right?

brain is starting to hurt. kinda went off topic on a tangent there.

[agoldfinger]

Any news about the great google conspiracy to drive all myspace sites to bankruptcy?

[agoldfinger]

Check this out http://youtube.com/watch?v=YAnDh1TZrmE
So much beauty in space

[lyzyrdgyzyrd]

Hey! Look! Right under our noses. A REAL get rich quick opportunity!

It's time to ditch the "get people to use the graphics and layouts from MY site" niche, and dive in head-first to the "get stupid people to believe stupid ****" niche. The best thing about this is that you get to make up your own stupid ****, and you can do it on any scale; from simply "Send $5 for our top secret pamphlet that the government doesn't want you to see!" all the way up to grandiose "Give me all of your money and real property before the UFO comes out from behind the comet!" schemes.

[cutelayouts]

I wonder why we still have no people land on the moon after the US?
Because no one can even now with the technology we have it is 2 much of a risk to go to the moon and then come back. Moon landing was fake leave it at that.

That makes the footage in the post fake also, Germans had technology that we are starting to learn now. If Germans won the war we would see some crazy sh*t.
Also the whole alien talk, they do come to earth and do talk to the government.
We regular people should not know that, because an open statement from the government about aliens would make some serious damage to the world.

[Ajay]

i find it hard to believe that we are just catching up to nazi technology. yes, they made many advancements in rocketry, but they weren't leaps ahead of any other country. I mean come on, even the russians were able to make better tanks than the nazi's during wwii... and let's not forget that the american's came out with the a-bomb before the german's could. if the german's won the war we would have some crazy **** alright... like jewish skin area rugs, but probably nothing useful. I think you are reading too much into the, operation paperclip, conspiracy.

I wonder why we still have no people land on the moon after the US?
Because no one can even now with the technology we have it is 2 much of a risk to go to the moon and then come back. Moon landing was fake leave it at that.

That makes the footage in the post fake also, Germans had technology that we are starting to learn now. If Germans won the war we would see some crazy sh*t.
Also the whole alien talk, they do come to earth and do talk to the government.
We regular people should not know that, because an open statement from the government about aliens would make some serious damage to the world.

[Benahue]

How could it have been filmed by Armstrong when no-one has ever really been to the moon? So it's faked, as were the moon landings.
What's going to happen when another county like China lands there and doesn't find an American flag? We better send one up in a rover as quickly as possible and have it plant it in the ground, or we risk being exposed.

As for the other stuff that we supposedly left on the moon, we'll have to just say that it somehow flew away, or that the Japanese went there in the early 80's and stole it.

[minnseoelite]

the US government will never admit it if its a fake, even if the proof was plain as day

[Ajay]

just curious, are there any sites or books by people who understand basic physics or even basic photography, who think the moon landing is a hoax? links appreciated.

[Greg-J]

I saw a special regarding the moon landing and they addressed everything that conspiracy theorists used as concrete proof and dismissed it logically. It was pretty compelling.

I hate to rain of everyones parade, but I think we've been to the moon. If it is someday proven that we haven't, more power to everything who thinks it was a hoax. There is more evidence supporting it than disproves it though.

[Ajay]

^- yeah might want to take a look at these sites too,

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html
http://www.redzero.demon.co.uk/moonhoax/
http://pirlwww.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/NOT_faked/FOX.html

[mcfox]

I hate to rain of everyones parade, but I think we've been to the moon. If it is someday proven that we haven't, more power to everything who thinks it was a hoax. There is more evidence supporting it than disproves it though.
Y'know, I grew up in the era in which man had first 'gone to the moon' - I was a very young kid and can still recall the excitement of everyone watching those grainy images on the tv and the 'moon fever' afterwards.

I grew up my entire life without questioning the moon landings and accepted it all as fact, even argued with people when I first heard them saying it was all a hoax. To me that simply sounded like heresy. Unfortunately, in the face of all the overwhelming evidence, I had to eventually concede they were right and I was wrong, although I didn't let go of my lifelong beliefs without a fight and continued arguing long after I knew it was fake.

Major Problem 1 of space travel:
Van Allen Belt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Allen_radiation_belts)

Some further reading.
Apollo Moon Landing hoax (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_moon_landing_hoax_accusations)

[Ajay]

somewhat of a scientific explanation regarding travel through the van allen belt.
http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/may2000/959341359.As.r.html





Some further reading.
Apollo Moon Landing hoax (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_moon_landing_hoax_accusations)

[Greg-J]

Y'know, I grew up in the era in which man had first 'gone to the moon' - I was a very young kid and can still recall the excitement of everyone watching those grainy images on the tv and the 'moon fever' afterwards.

I grew up my entire life without questioning the moon landings and accepted it all as fact, even argued with people when I first heard them saying it was all a hoax. To me that simply sounded like heresy. Unfortunately, in the face of all the overwhelming evidence, I had to eventually concede they were right and I was wrong, although I didn't let go of my lifelong beliefs without a fight and continued arguing long after I knew it was fake.

Major Problem 1 of space travel:
Van Allen Belt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Allen_radiation_belts)

Some further reading.
Apollo Moon Landing hoax (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_moon_landing_hoax_accusations)
I'm aware of the Van Allen Belt, but what needs to be understood about it is that the level of radiation within it is tolerable for periods of time. It's not like they're flying through a nuclear reactor wearing nothing but tinfoil. Even the wikipedia page you linked to describes this to some extent:

During Project Apollo, astronauts traveled through the Van Allen belts on both the outbound and return trips to the moon. The crews spent only limited time in transit in the region, and consequently the radiation exposure was limited. The Apollo 14 crew recorded the highest Van Allen belt exposures during their February 1971 mission, but the crew's short-term exposure was still within acceptable levels. Future manned missions beyond earth orbit must also transit the Van Allen belts, but these missions will be shielded and hardened for much longer-duration exposure to cosmic rays and solar wind.

The other page you linked to has explanations for many if not all of the things conspiracy theorists claim are faked. A few years back a movie studio set out to try to recreate the moon landing and they couldn't do it. Even slowing film down and having people hop around on wires looked nothing like the spacewalk.

I don't buy most of what the government feeds us, but we went to the moon.

[GREGO]

I for one believe that we did land on the moon.. I also believe the dark side of the moon would make a nice place for some aliens to make a nice pit stop and take the shuttle craft down to earth for some resources... did or does it happen? I dunno... but it would make a nice place to stash out a ship for few million :)

[mcfox]

Rummage, rummage, rummage...

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[Jordan]

I still believe man landed on the moon. I don't think they would bother faking anything if they needed to because it's obvious that as time passes, technology advances even further and it would be even easier to disprove the authenticity...

[mcfox]

I still believe man landed on the moon. I don't think they would bother faking anything if they needed to because it's obvious that as time passes, technology advances even further and it would be even easier to disprove the authenticity...
It would be a lot easier to fake it than actually do it. ;)

[Andrew2]

It would be a lot easier to fake it than actually do it. ;)
As it is with Women and Orgasms but there's still nothing quite like the real thing though is there?
http://ncarboni2.home.att.net/Moon_Hypersaturated.jpg

My only question is why the US is the only country to have landed on the moon in all of eternity. :-/ Is technology getting better or are our cars just changing?

[Matt]

^^^ Exactly andrew.
But then again, the race to the moon was more political back then wasn't it?

[Andrew2]

yeah, it was indeed a RACE to the moon, but still you'd think someone else besides the US would bother with it... I know russia had rovers on the moon but why doesn't anyone send people to the moon before attempting to send people to Mars... We have teachers in space right now so that's why I think the original moon landing was real, nothing worth faking.

The Russians have made three unmanned missions to the moon in which they brought back samples. The two countries have shared samples for study.

Russia has similar samples of moon rocks from their unmanned missions to the moon, But I guess these samples are just fake right? Russia is in on the conspiracy as well? [rhetorical question]

[Jordan]

It would be a lot easier to fake it than actually do it.
well obviously, but that wasn't my point. my point was that if it was fake, they would have known that obviously at some point in the future someone would figure it out - would they take that risk even with the constant progression of our technology?

[YabbaDoo]

Haha, great, almost as funny as the Alien Interview LOL!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf19L6DjnTQ

[YabbaDoo]

well obviously, but that wasn't my point. my point was that if it was fake, they would have known that obviously at some point in the future someone would figure it out - would they take that risk even with the constant progression of our technology?

So, what would they care?

Some people have "CONCLUSIVELY PROVEN" that the Bible is fake, doesn't stop Christians being Christians....

[Jordan]

So, what would they care?

Some people have "CONCLUSIVELY PROVEN" that the Bible is fake, doesn't stop Christians being Christians....
Even if the bible was fake, doesn't mean God is non-existent does it? the personal belief would still be there among other things, and personal belief is a huge part of every debate - what you yourself believe is right etc.
that's another discussion though, back on topic.

all I can think of to answer the actual question there is that Americans would probably feel like they can't trust the government (not like they can in the first place, but many people are extremely naive) and as far as I know, Americans are very patriotic so it'd probably be a big blow.

if the moon landing is fake then why can't people say half of the events recorded in history books are fake? eh I'm probably not making much sense at all but hopefully you can see my point. it's almost 3am ahhh.