Stealing Images - how do you know who owns them?

[tkilgore]

This has been split from here (http://www.myspacepros.com/forum/showthread.php?p=12549)


Ty Sel<3 I work with the best!

TK no offense, 4 of your partner sites are stealing others graphics, i don't affiliate with sites that steal/affiliate with stealers.



Ok ..you may want to be a bit more specific .....what partner sites ...stealing..what the hell are you talikng about ..I have Greg MSRS scripts ..

I have bought every graphic from this forum And form Selena

I DO NOT APRICATE the crap ..you laid out. you had better start to explain

Tod Kilgore

[Selena]

i know what andria is talking about.
to make it more specific...
enchanted glitters, graphic hub, dollie bliss, and piczo myspace, have stolen glitters and tons of other stolen graphics on their site...there have been threads about it at other forums.
she wasn't saying that YOU stole anything, but she doesnt affiliate with sites that steal or sites that affiliate with stealing sites...

[tkilgore]

i know what andria is talking about.
to make it more specific...
enchanted glitters, graphic hub, dollie bliss, and piczo myspace, have stolen glitters and tons of other stolen graphics on their site...there have been threads about it at other forums.
she wasn't saying that YOU stole anything, but she doesnt affiliate with sites that steal or sites that affiliate with stealing sites...


original ... reply
TK no offense, 4 of your partner sites are stealing others graphics, i don't affiliate with sites that steal/affiliate with stealers.


Ok ..first ...if this was an issue with theses sites ..she should have PM me directly and mentioned that. To say that I affialte with stealers and or drop my worth on this forum ..really pisses me off after all that I have contributed.

I am not happy with comments about my partner links. I am sorry I do not visit to many forums other than this one. So how in THE HELL would i now. I will not remove there links and as far as your her site.. I AM NOT intrested in linking to that site eaither.


So:
Enchanted glitters, Graphic Hub, Dollie Bliss, Piczo Myspace -- care to ..reply about this ..


Tod Kilgore
Myspacegenerator.org
Myspacetag.net
myspaceproxy.org
profileengine.com
and to many more to list!!!!!!!

[PGZ]

So because you have a link exchange with a site that has supposedly stolen content you wont deal with such site ??

When I do a link exchange I do look over said site but I dont disect it. I look at traffic and PR to make sure its comparable with mine. To come down on tkilgore in such a manner is quite HARSH to say the least.

This forum is not like SNF and never has been. I find such remarks very low so please ignore the PM I sent about your link sales.

I'll pass.

[mcfox]

I would be VERY interested to know how it is possible to discern what material is stolen and what sites use them.

Please elaborate! It affects us all.

[fryman]

Wow, this is just ridiculous. Its not like he is linking to some warez site. How on earth can we know what content other sites have??

This is just so stupid...

[mcfox]

Yeah, I thought so myself.

What are you supposed to do? Trawl through thousands of images and hope you can remember where you've seen them before?

[PGZ]

I have bought glitter packs from people before and seen some of the work is watermarked so I dont use it but use the things that arent.

I guess that makes me a thief also even though I paid for a glitter pack I thought was legit.

Easy solution is watermark EVERYTHING you have done for you.

[tkilgore]

Wow, this is just ridiculous. Its not like he is linking to some warez site. How on earth can we know what content other sites have??

This is just so stupid...


Thanks guys...for your support …I almost fell over backwards!

I would have rather read that reply from a PM or even an email vs. telling the entire internet that I some how got affiliated with a "stolen graphics goods" network ...LOL

That really WAS all I was worried about ...After spilling my coffee!!!

Tod K

P.S.
By the way it is not graphics on my 10+ site ..it is more related around my 4 LINK partners listed in a previous post. So watch who you link with is what she is saying to me. Yikes .... now I have to think!! =[ (joke)

[fryman]

Easy solution is watermark EVERYTHING you have done for you

Agreed, I have started to watermark all my content before I upload it

[mcfox]

Even watermarking images can't protect you from some of the image packs that get sold. You think it's all legit, cough up the cash and then later realise the material has been ripped.

[tkilgore]

Even watermarking images can't protect you from some of the image packs that get sold. You think it's all legit, cough up the cash and then later realise the material has been ripped.

The real problem is site buys like what i do. Now I have to track there links..track there graphics..track there template..track there lunch partners.. Check there background for hidden or felony graphics bust.. lol

and then have approval by the graphics police from here on out. I may have to move to a diifernt country to avoid extradition form Micky Mouse glitter.

Tod ..

[fryman]

mcfox is right, I bought a pack of cursors and then got an angry email from someone telling me that they were the creators of those cursors and asked me to take them down.

Of course I did. But I have seen many sites out there using them and I am sure they have no idea that those cursors are from someone else that doesn't want them distributed.

[mcfox]

and then have approval by the graphics police
:clown:

The graphics police ... lol!

Everyone is in the game to make some cash, of that there is no doubt. Some of us even know where to get tons of free stuff that we know is ripped but instead elect to pay for what we think are legitimate deals and packages in our efforts to keep a clean house, as it were.

I mean, what the hell are we supposed to do? Exactly? I'm open to suggestions!

I think I've spent in the region of a thousand dollars on numerous graphics packs in the last couple of months and ended up discarding a large proportion when I've subsequently realised they were not for redistribution and shouldn't have been sold to me.

[tkilgore]

:clown:

The graphics police ... lol!

Everyone is in the game to make some cash, of that there is no doubt. Some of us even know where to get tons of free stuff that we know is ripped but instead elect to pay for what we think are legitimate deals and packages in our efforts to keep a clean house, as it were.

I mean, what the hell are we supposed to do? Exactly? I'm open to suggestions!

I think I've spent in the region of a thousand dollars on numerous graphics packs in the last couple of months and ended up discarding a large proportion when I've subsequently realised they were not for redistribution and shouldn't have been sold to me.

Best of it is we give it away for free to the end-user who does not give a hoot were it comes from -- most of the time -- In fact there participating in on a rip on there on own.

I own a image upload site (sorry.. EDIT "I know someone" who ownes!!) and I can tell you ..there some strange stuff out there!!

It's uploaded constanly and I have to almost view and aprove EVERY image coming in from 5 major sites..and there firends. notice I did not use the link ..I am in hot water already ... a 2 timer in one day.. I would get the chair.. ZZZZZZAAPP

Any way there a lot of graphics and or images I WILL need to take a look at.

The biggest problem is at at the admin level "the thumbnail view" is all we get a quick look at...AND a watermark is a bit harder to see at 11pm-2 am webmaster time.

Tod K

[Emma]

As long as your not stealing then theres no problem, doesnt matter who you affiliate with!

There is a problem with stolen images, i see a LOT of sites with all the same content and well if they've paid for it the faults not on them, but the person who sold them in the 1st place. There isnt really any way of knowing if somethings stolen.. but yeh watermarking is a way to prevent it i guess. You can sometimes tell, because people have the same style when they're making graphics.. so you can differentiate between say mine and selenas graphics, but i guess if you don't make graphics yourself it would be a bit difficult to tell.

I put my sites URL on everything i make and i also do the same for the people who i make graphics for, it all comes branded.. which can sometimes take a while but i don't mind :p (no extra charge ;)) lol.

[Selena]

i guess the problem arises that Andria knows many of the website owners who made the content that is being stolen, and she feels very strong about it, but i doubt she meant it personally or even to lower your worth on this forum tkilglore.

i agree she probably should've pmed you instead of saying it on this forum, but maybe its better that people know these sites have stolen content on them??

I'm really against the stealing 100% because if i bought/made content, i'd be pretty mad if someone took my graphics, removed the tag, and claimed them as their own. my money/time to make unique content is wasted.

But i guess since affiliates and link exchanges are there for hits, i probably wouldn't care too much if a site i was trying to affiliate with was affiliated with a stealing site, not actually the one stealing, but i guess its andria's decision.

[PGZ]

It all boils down to the unprofessional attack in a sense. It was immature and could of been dealt with in a different manner. By the way she made her comment she made it like he was in on the stealing and actually approved of such practices.

Im not wasting any more time in this thread. It was wrong and whatever image she could have gained here was destroyed by her own words.

I personally wont deal with her just because of this account. Great way to enter a forum huh ??

[tkilgore]

i guess the problem arises that Andria knows many of the website owners who made the content that is being stolen, and she feels very strong about it, but i doubt she meant it personally or even to lower your worth on this forum tkilglore.

i agree she probably should've pmed you instead of saying it on this forum, but maybe its better that people know these sites have stolen content on them??

I'm really against the stealing 100% because if i bought/made content, i'd be pretty mad if someone took my graphics, removed the tag, and claimed them as their own. my money/time to make unique content is wasted.

But i guess since affiliates and link exchanges are there for hits, i probably wouldn't care too much if a site i was trying to affiliate with was affiliated with a stealing site, not actually the one stealing, but i guess its andria's decision.


I understand and i wish here well.... This has actualy prodded me to sell all of my myspace stuff and move away from it for good.

I will post a list of what i will be selling in the next day or so.. all of you take care.





Tod Kilgore -

[Andria]

I wasn't attacking you personally TK, i'm sorry if you thought I was.

I know first hand your partner sites have all stolen content on their websites, also Dollie Bliss used to be mine, and i was tricked into selling it to the same person who owns all those stealing sites.

I never meant to imply you have stolen content, but your affiliates, they all do knowingly. They haven't purchased them in packs or anything.

If i were to become affiliated with a site that is affiliated with all of the sites i signed a petition against, i'd be a hypocrite.

Again, never was trying to attack you.

Let me also say, you should really make sure the person you buy from is reliable. I was browsing through your graphics and 50% of them are the graphics that were stolen from site owners.

For instance, http://www.myspacegenerator.org/Images/Glitter_Words/images/57.gif

My best friend made that for a site we co owned together a while ago. You may not have known you have stolen content on your site, but you do. So if I am wrong for pointing that out, I'm sorry. But myself and alot of my friends online have spent alot of time and hard work on our graphics and for them to just be stolen and made money off of, isn't right.

So I do have a reason to say what I have said, your graphics, weither you purchased them or not, have been stolen from other people.

[PGZ]

I wasn't attacking you personally TK, i'm sorry if you thought I was.

I know first hand your partner sites have all stolen content on their websites, also Dollie Bliss used to be mine, and i was tricked into selling it to the same person who owns all those stealing sites.

I never meant to imply you have stolen content, but your affiliates, they all do knowingly. They haven't purchased them in packs or anything.

If i were to become affiliated with a site that is affiliated with all of the sites i signed a petition against, i'd be a hypocrite.

Again, never was trying to attack you.

This is what you should of said to begin with rather then the way it was said before.

I hope he reconsiders his decision to sell.

[Andria]

This is what you should of said to begin with rather then the way it was said before.

I hope he reconsiders his decision to sell.
Read my edit please.

I don't think he should sell aything, but he has alot of stolen content on his website.

I don't think it's fair to attack me for sticking up for myself and my friends. The reason how I know for a fact they are stolen graphics is because either I made some of them or people I know have.

Just because you buy graphics doesn't make it allright for them to be stolen. Simply only have a reliable person do the work for you or do it yourself. Don't depend on some random Joe to make you graphics because in the end your site has the same exact content as all the others.

I have every right in the world to be mad about someone having graphics I made on their website without my permission as do all the other site owners out there.

You sitting there makig fun, "the graphics police", well sit there for hours upon hours making graphics for your website and have someone take them and make money off them, see how you feel. It's not going to be so funny when site owners are completely fed up and try to take legal action against all these sites with stolen content.

[YabbaDoo]

ANDRIA!

You call other people stealers? and say you have an issue with it.
Yet you own one of THE biggest stealer sites on the web.
You provide music codes for FREE....A musical Artist somewhere LOOSES A LOT OF MONEY. Because of YOU!
You steal peoples work. and put it on ur site. You dont even credit them for it.
This site breaks so many US Laws it's not even funny.
It's actually against the law to provide artists work for free on your site without paying them for it.
You pay no1.
You sit and use OTHER peoples work (you do virtually nothing) and upload it to your site...Then get all the money from it..They get nothing!
You try and tell me that isn't stealing?

[Andria]

ANDRIA!

You call other people stealers? and say you have an issue with it.
Yet you own one of THE biggest stealer sites on the web.
You provide music codes for FREE....A musical Artist somewhere LOOSES A LOT OF MONEY. Because of YOU!
You steal peoples work. and put it on ur site. You dont even credit them for it.
This site breaks so many US Laws it's not even funny.
It's actually against the law to provide artists work for free on your site without paying them for it.
You pay no1.
You sit and use OTHER peoples work (you do virtually nothing) and upload it to your site...Then get all the money from it..They get nothing!
You try and tell me that isn't stealing?
Actually i have a LEGAL contract with Itunes allowing me to use the codes i provide, thanks. I have purchased every song legally and have paid to use them the way I do.

If you haven't noticed, right on my main template it says "All music codes are provided for informational and educational purpose only. All music is copyright to their respectful owners"

And i make money off their stuff? Pffft, the money i make BARELY covers the server costs and scripts I have purchased.

The music codes are simply to be put on websites in HTML format, I am not selling CDs or selling songs to be downloaded. Maybe you should re check what my site is about before you come and say stuff.

[Selena]

ANDRIA!

You call other people stealers? and say you have an issue with it.
Yet you own one of THE biggest stealer sites on the web.
You provide music codes for FREE....A musical Artist somewhere LOOSES A LOT OF MONEY. Because of YOU!
You steal peoples work. and put it on ur site. You dont even credit them for it.
This site breaks so many US Laws it's not even funny.
It's actually against the law to provide artists work for free on your site without paying them for it.
You pay no1.
You sit and use OTHER peoples work (you do virtually nothing) and upload it to your site...Then get all the money from it..They get nothing!
You try and tell me that isn't stealing?

maybe you should check your facts before coming and jumping up andria's *** about stealing. She knows her facts about the graphics on those sites since she used to own dollie bliss, and it was transformed into a site filled with stolen content. she's not providing people to DOWNLOAD the songs, just like you can put a song on your myspace through myspace music, an artist is not "losing a lot of money" because someone puts their music code on their site.

Please, if i wanted music, i could go to andria's site, look at the songs she has listed and download them straight off limewire pro, which i have. She has a legal contract with iTunes, as she stated above, and since she BUYS all of her songs, they are obtained legally, the song codes are distributed LEGALLY.

[YabbaDoo]

Either way,
You're stealing, you have permission from iTunes?
Pfffttt...Even if you do....You reckon that's not stealing?
Errrr.....The artists sell a CD for $3 etc...a while back...Now they sell it for a couple of cents...Puh-Lease...when artists were bringing in millions..Now thanks to sites like yours....You get music super cheap..Meaning iTunes and u make profit..So in the end it's the artist...the one person who has put the most effort in..Who gets the smaller share....
You all rip off the musicians and music industry and ruin peoples lives...
On the other hand....what u spend ten minutes making a few glitters.. a few of them get stolen and then what? You cry over a few minor graphics.....that took hardly any time
Good honest hard working people spending months in the studio get ripped off...and dont even make a big deal over it....

[Andria]

Either way,
You're stealing, you have permission from iTunes?
Pfffttt...Even if you do....You reckon that's not stealing?
Errrr.....The artists sell a CD for $3 etc...a while back...Now they sell it for a couple of cents...Puh-Lease...when artists were bringing in millions..Now thanks to sites like yours....You get music super cheap..Meaning iTunes and u make profit..So in the end it's the artist...the one person who has put the most effort in..Who gets the smaller share....
You all rip off the musicians and music industry and ruin peoples lives...
On the other hand....what u spend ten minutes making a few glitters.. a few of them get stolen and then what? You cry over a few minor graphics.....that took hardly any time
Good honest hard working people spending months in the studio get ripped off...and dont even make a big deal over it....
You honestly have not a clue as to what you are talking about. If this is the case, every single one of us is ripping off other people to make money.

I have over 600 songs on my site, wich I have paid for. I have also bought tons of CDs to use for the site. I have put more money into the site than it has given me. I have also given artists more money, thank you.

This is a forum about myspace, myspace does not have permission to use some of the music on their site, but they do. Cry to them about it, but instead you make myspace resource sites and make money off it. Talk about being a hypocrite.

If you want glitters on your site, make them yourself, or have the common sense to buy them from a reliable person and have them tagged. Don't you think you'd notice that 60 other myspace sites have the exact same graphics as you?

And for you to even say the artist gets the smaller share, are you kidding? Artists make millions upon millions of dollars, do you think I make millions providing HTML codes for kids who don't know how to? Nope sorry, i don't. Like i said, i put more money out than I recieve, Artists put money out and make 10x if not more afterwards, your theories aren't even realistic.

[YabbaDoo]

Ey?
No, I dont own a myspace resource site...So, I dont steal anyway.
My point is with the fact...My brother is a Radio DJ
My family have close contacts with musicians and more importantly the music industry...We know more about it than most...
And have seen with our own eyes, the amount of money it has lost.
Money is not being earned through digital downloads, despite what people think (for a lot of people who are less "famous" it has) but for the top, top musicians....there incomes are dropping because of sites like iTunes.
So I really do know what I am talking about....You all rip of the artists...and then go calling other people the stealers...
Why dont you get a music studio and record ur own music and publish it to the web.
That way ur making and sharing ur content...this way, you are redistributing others content without there permission (personally)
So yeah, even if legally it isn't stealing, you're ripping off from the top...

[Andria]

Ey?
No, I dont own a myspace resource site...So, I dont steal anyway.
My point is with the fact...My brother is a Radio DJ
My family have close contacts with musicians and more importantly the music industry...We know more about it than most...
And have seen with our own eyes, the amount of money it has lost.
Money is not being earned through digital downloads, despite what people think (for a lot of people who are less "famous" it has) but for the top, top musicians....there incomes are dropping because of sites like iTunes.
So I really do know what I am talking about....You all rip of the artists...and then go calling other people the stealers...
Why dont you get a music studio and record ur own music and publish it to the web.
That way ur making and sharing ur content...this way, you are redistributing others content without there permission (personally)
So yeah, even if legally is isn't stealing, you're ripping off from the top...
I don't own Itunes, everything I have done with my site is legal.

Say whatever you want, artists don't care obviously, because they would have done something about Itunes. Instead artists, like P Diddy oh and even PRESIDENT BUSH, has an Ipod and uses itunes. Must be insanely illegal, since the president uses it and all, he should know first hand.

Is this forum hypocritical or what? I make one tiny statement on stealing in my thread, wich I had every right to considering there is all stolen content on that site, and it gets closed and i get questioned, and yet an entire thread basically bashing me stays open? Makes alot of sense.

[YabbaDoo]

I did say...It's not illegal
The artists...dont speak out..cos they CANT..They have contracts who run thier lives and do what's best for them...They dont care what the artists want....
Oh and do u have permission from her: http://divine-music.net/newtemp/images/9.jpg To use that :)

[Andria]

I did say...It's not illegal
The artists...dont speak out..cos they CANT..They have contracts who run thier lives and do what's best for them...They dont care what the artists want....
Oh and do u have permission from her: http://divine-music.net/newtemp/images/9.jpg To use that :)
I guess Shakira shouldn't take pictures for online ads then :(

And i don't need her permission to use the image, technically i would need the person who took the pictures permission IF it wasnt on a site that offers it for free :)

Difference between do not redistribute and here ya go, use it.

I find it funny how you just joined, didn't make a introduction thread, didn't post in any other thread and came to this thread with your two sense. Hmmm...


Anyway, i'm here to offer my services, possibly purchase a few things, etc. I'm not here to defend myself or argue pointless matters. I made one comment, wich i stand by because I was right. If you don't want to affiliate with me, use my services, etc. that's fine with me, but don't sit here and try to bash me for standing up for what's right.

[Selena]

Artists make millions of dollars for recording music, big woopdeedoo. So their incomes are dropping by what...1 million a year. that leaves another couple million per year. oh they are suffering so much. please
the point is, she's getting her stuff legally. people who steal the graphics for myspace resource sites ARE NOT getting their stuff legally. its not her problem that itunes is ripping off the artists. If it was so horrible to get songs from itunes or to download music, why would so many artists themselves have ipods and itunes. They must be some hypocrites too. saying how much their suffering from digital downloads, yet downloading them themselves.
why are we even talking about MUSIC stuff here. the point of this thread is about stolen myspace graphics, not about downloading music from itunes.

[Andria]

Exactly Selena, and i responded as to why I made that comment. You wanted an explantion, I gave it. What more do you want?

I guess i should have said "i dont affiliate with sites that dont know the have stolen content on their site", my mistake.

So can this be closed now? Since my thread was closed for me speaking the truth.

[mcfox]

Good God! What a can of worms!

Let me see if I can summarise things so far ...

Andria joins the forum and advertises to sell links on her site, http://www.divine-music.net. In around her 3rd or 4th post, she tells Tod she won't be linking to his site because it in turn, links to other sites that 'steal'. The implication of course, is that Tod is a thief when he most definitely is not!

Later, it emerges Andria says she used to own one of the sites, Dollie Bliss, but was 'tricked into selling it'. A bit of an agenda there, methinks!

Andria then points to an image and claims it was made by a friend for a site they both used to own. Another agenda. Seems to me that if someone bought the site, including all of the graphics, then they had the right to resell those images, no?

To refute any claims of copyright infringement on her music site, Andria states the following;
"All music codes are provided for informational and educational purpose only. All music is copyright to their respectful owners"
So by following this example, anyone with images on their site can simply place a similar disclaimer and they are then absolved of any and all responsibility, ergo, it doesn't matter what images are used or where they come from? Is that the idea?

Andria, I'm sorry, but you have really p***** off a lot of webmasters on this site who go out of their way to try to purchase graphics that they can use legitimately.

I have around 20,000 - 30,000 + images I have bought in various packages and packs - not cheaply I might add - and I can only use a fraction of them because I cannot verify the integrity of the images - after the fact, unfortunately.

I personally locked up your sales thread (with the support of the other, equally irritated, mods I might add) because I was annoyed you were implying one of our members was stealing. He wasn't, and isn't. He has worked hard ever since he bought the myspace script and has invested a ton of money in buying graphics for it. We know this because we have all worked with him in one way or another.

I had hoped you would offer a better explanation than you have done but now you are telling that same member 50% of his site graphics are stolen! And we should accept your word alone for this? I think not.

Yet you expect us to buy services from you? Gotta do a lot better than you have done with the public relations.

:s

[PGZ]

You cant call someone a thief if they dont know they have stolen ANYTHING. Just because you say its stolen doesnt mean its actually stolen at all. Who says the webmaster of said site didnt sell a glitter pack at one time. Do you know if this was done ?

You say we should use reliable good people but you have to understand this is the net where NO ONE knows anyone.

Regardless if you stand by your words or not you are wrong and there is NO WAY around that.

You point blank called someone a thief and then blamed him for having SO CALLED stolen content. When in reality a simple PM with your concerns would of been much more professional.

Just cause YOU say it doesnt make it 100% true. Once you make a glitter or image and sell it to the webmaster your out of the picture since you no longer own said content.

You have no clue if it has been sold or stolen but you have chosen without any evidence other then what you think to call someone a thief.

Do you not see any wrong in that ??

At this forum we do our best to do things by the book and we dont allow illegal stuff to be sold on the site. We again do our best to filter out the crap.

For you to come in here and make the statements you have made is like a KICK IN THE FACE to alot of us. The Mods and Admins here have strived to do whats right.

It just burns me that you are trying to stick by words when you are wrong cause you actually dont know. The worst part of the whole thing is that you made statements about a member that is innocent as everything. Even if it is stolen stuff how is he to know ? It was never his intent to do such a thing.

But go ahead and stick by your words just cause you dont want to admit you were wrong with your choice of words.

[Selena]

You know i honestly don't think her original statement was saying that HE had stolen anything.
She said "no offense but 4 of your affiliates have stolen content, i dont affiliate with stealers or those affiated with stealers"
she was covering the whole "i dont affiliate with stealers" but im pretty sure she was more directing the "those who affiliate with stealers" at tkilgore.
It was only after further looking at his site that she pointed out that he had stolen content. her original post was again pointing out that he was affiliatted with stealing sites, and did not blatantly say "you have stolen content" until later

you guys really are getting the wrong impression of her. She is such a nice person and so much more proffessional than she looks right now. All she was trying to do was stand by her anti-stealing policies (as we all are against stealing) and im not sure if she's completely familiar with scripts like MSRS and free turnkey scripts which include content that may be stolen (not saying anything about the makers of this script either)

its hard to know what content is or is not stolen, which is why i see why tkilgore wouldnt be happy that he was "accused" or that he was denied simply because he didnt know his affiliates stole their content.

[Andria]

Good God! What a can of worms!

Let me see if I can summarise things so far ...

Andria joins the forum and advertises to sell links on her site, http://www.divine-music.net. In around her 3rd or 4th post, she tells Tod she won't be linking to his site because it in turn, links to other sites that 'steal'. The implication of course, is that Tod is a thief when he most definitely is not!

Later, it emerges Andria says she used to own one of the sites, Dollie Bliss, but was 'tricked into selling it'. A bit of an agenda there, methinks!

Andria then points to an image and claims it was made by a friend for a site they both used to own. Another agenda. Seems to me that if someone bought the site, including all of the graphics, then they had the right to resell those images, no?

To refute any claims of copyright infringement on her music site, Andria states the following;
"All music codes are provided for informational and educational purpose only. All music is copyright to their respectful owners"
So by following this example, anyone with images on their site can simply place a similar disclaimer and they are then absolved of any and all responsibility, ergo, it doesn't matter what images are used or where they come from? Is that the idea?

Andria, I'm sorry, but you have really p***** off a lot of webmasters on this site who go out of their way to try to purchase graphics that they can use legitimately.

I have around 20,000 - 30,000 + images I have bought in various packages and packs - not cheaply I might add - and I can only use a fraction of them because I cannot verify the integrity of the images - after the fact, unfortunately.

I personally locked up your sales thread (with the support of the other, equally irritated, mods I might add) because I was annoyed you were implying one of our members was stealing. He wasn't, and isn't. He has worked hard ever since he bought the myspace script and has invested a ton of money in buying graphics for it. We know this because we have all worked with him in one way or another.

I had hoped you would offer a better explanation than you have done but now you are telling that same member 50% of his site graphics are stolen! And we should accept your word alone for this? I think not.

Yet you expect us to buy services from you? Gotta do a lot better than you have done with the public relations.

:s
Yes considering I was told a good friend of mine would be owning the site , turns out her cousin bought it and totally slandered the name. It recieved over 10,000 hits before i sold it, now barely gets 1,000.

And no, we never sold the site we owned, we simply closed it. Just because we closed it without selling doesn't give anyone the right to take our images and redistribute them without our permission.

I never said he wasn't a hard worker, i was simply letting him know his graphics have been stolen. Tab of pixelbee.com made about 20% of those graphics, and you can contact her and ask her.

It's a proven fact those graphics were stolen, I understand he may not have known they weren't, but that's not my fault.

I was simply letting yaboodoo or whatever know that I did not claim copyright as he/she said i didn't credit anyone.

You guys are taking everything I say and turning it around, so I don't care at this point.

Think whatever you want of me, but when the site owners of those graphics come here to defend what I have been saying, don't be surprised.

Selena knows my charecter and my views, i'm not backing down on what i know is right because you say i'm wrong. I'm not assuming anything was stolen, they WERE stolen. And if he didn't really know that then that's not his fault either. He should contact whoever sold those to him and get his money back because he was basically robbed.

Issue is, I said what I said, wich is true, I don't affiliate with sites that have stolen contact or advertise/affiliate with stealing sites. There's nothing wrong with that ....

Just let me know now if you're going to close every thread I make on advertising/graphics over a comment I made, because I will just leave now.

[PGZ]

Think whatever you want of me, but when the site owners of those graphics come here to defend what I have been saying, don't be surprised.


Oh Hell.......... call whoever you want cause NO ONE here has done anything wrong.

Why do you insist on causing more trouble then what has already been started.

Which Graphics are stolen ??? Please tell me and show me proof of said graphic and Im sure it can and will be removed but threating people does nothing but cause more Craziness then what is already here because of the situation at hand here.

[Andria]

^ Well people keep on insisting I am wrong and that i am just assuming this. So for proof, why not have those who own the graphics come forward since no one believes me? How else can i prove it?

[jhoward]

Actually i have a LEGAL contract with Itunes allowing me to use the codes i provide, thanks. I have purchased every song legally and have paid to use them the way I do.

If you haven't noticed, right on my main template it says "All music codes are provided for informational and educational purpose only. All music is copyright to their respectful owners"

And i make money off their stuff? Pffft, the money i make BARELY covers the server costs and scripts I have purchased.

The music codes are simply to be put on websites in HTML format, I am not selling CDs or selling songs to be downloaded. Maybe you should re check what my site is about before you come and say stuff.

You just blew all credibility with this post.

First, it doesn't matter if you make $1 or $1,000,000. You're still profiting from the intellectual property of another person. So by your very logic, if would be okay for the sites with stolen graphics to distribute them if they BARELY make enough to cover server costs and scripts!!

Second, any time a site has the disclaimer "All music codes are provided for informational and educational purpose only" it means SOMEONE thinks there is a potential copyright issue. Why else would such a disclaimer be needed?

Finally, just because an artist, or any other professional for that matter, makes a lot of money, it doesn't make it right for you or anyone to steal there property. In your later posts you seem to imply it's okay to use the music codes since they artists make "millions of dollars" and so what if they make a few dollars less? Well, that's just plain wrong. It doesn't matter how much they make. Stealing is stealing.

Perhaps you've never heard this old saying, but whenever you point a finger at someone else, there are three pointing back at you.

jhoward

[Selena]

Why do you insist on causing more trouble then what has already been started.



No offense to anyone but i don't think Andria is the one causing trouble than there already is. there was no trouble to begin with until someone else over reacted.. she made one statement and everyone jumps in her face. she simply said "TK no offense, 4 of your partner sites are stealing others graphics, i don't affiliate with sites that steal/affiliate with stealers."
and everyone jumps in her face saying she just up and accused tkilgore of stealing, which she did not right away do so.

i think everyone else has made this a bigger deal, and yabadoo by bringing up the itunes legal crap with the artists losing so much money. Andria started an advertising thread and clearly said "no offense, but..." and it could've been left at that, but everyone blew it way out of proportion.

[Andria]

Again J howard, everything i've done with my site is LEGAL. I've paid for documents, contracts and privacy policies. I have not gone to another persons website, taken their graphics and put them on my website because I am too lazy to do them myself. That is not pointed at any one person either.

I have purchased all of the things for my website with permission, most myspace resource sites have not. End of discussion on my web site.

And Selena thank you, I tried to explain but it's a loss cause at this point.

[PGZ]

^ Well people keep on insisting I am wrong and that i am just assuming this. So for proof, why not have those who own the graphics come forward since no one believes me? How else can i prove it?

Andria anyone can say they own anything....I can say I own a certain Graphic on this site but its just me saying its mine.

Im not defending stolen content but it would also take more then someone SAYING it belongs to them. You must remember this is the net and proving such claims can be hard especially talking about a graphic that could of just been redone exactly by another designer.

Unless there is a specific mark/watermark or signiture on it.....It is almost impossible to prove that its someone elses.

Just my opinion

[Andria]

I know for a fact about most of the images though. I've been in the "Doll World" for over 5 years, and half of those graphics were put on sites (the original sites) before myspace even came out.

Then myspace hit, all those graphics are all over the place. Not to mention, I made some of the stolen backgrounds most myspace resource sites have, that's enough proof to ME that they steal. I never gave anyone permission to use my graphics accept Freeweblayouts.net because i work specifically for them.

Either way, this thing has been blown way out of porportion, i apologise to TK if I offended him, it wasn't meant to offend anyone, that's just how I feel about sites who steal. And again, 4-5 of his affiliates are known stealing sites.

[mcfox]

Either way, this thing has been blown way out of porportion, i apologise to TK if I offended him, it wasn't meant to offend anyone, that's just how I feel about sites who steal. And again, 4-5 of his affiliates are known stealing sites.
According to you.

WE don't know you from anyone.

You are writing as if you are the only person here who gives a s*** when what has really got under everyone's skin is that we, as responsible webmasters, go to every length we can to try to make certain the images and graphics we use are completely above board.

Seriously, I've coughed up a small fortune buying graphics and images, to the point of despair sometimes because I later find out a large portion are ripped and therefore can't be used.

I gave you the opportunity to clarify and even smooth out the situation you created in your sales thread by opening this one and inviting you to explain things more clearly.

You have chosen, for whatever reasons, to do quite the opposite, and on top of that, attempt to imply you had some sort of moral high ground over the webmasters here.

There are some forums where that may have been the case but you chose the wrong forum here at myspacepros where the whole ethos is towards honest, transparent trade amidst the maelstrom of ripped content available elsewhere.

What you see as an over-reaction, we see as setting the record straight about us and the members here.

[Andria]

According to you.

WE don't know you from anyone.

You are writing as if you are the only person here who gives a s*** when what has really got under everyone's skin is that we, as responsible webmasters, go to every length we can to try to make certain the images and graphics we use are completely above board.

Seriously, I've coughed up a small fortune buying graphics and images, to the point of despair sometimes because I later find out a large portion are ripped and therefore can't be used.

I gave you the opportunity to clarify and even smooth out the situation you created in your sales thread by opening this one and inviting you to explain things more clearly.

You have chosen, for whatever reasons, to do quite the opposite, and on top of that, attempt to imply you had some sort of moral high ground over the webmasters here.

There are some forums where that may have been the case but you chose the wrong forum here at myspacepros where the whole ethos is towards honest, transparent trade amidst the maelstrom of ripped content available elsewhere.

What you see as an over-reaction, we see as setting the record straight about us and the members here.

Actually graphic hub has openly admitted on other forums he has stolen content, he also owns the rest of those sites that is affiliated with TK. So no its not just according to me.

Im done arguing with you people. I will leave, simple.

[mcfox]

Actually graphic hub has openly admitted on other forums he has stolen content, he also owns the rest of those sites that is affiliated with TK. So no its not just according to me.

Im done arguing with you people. I will leave, simple.
WHERE has this person admitted this? Give us a link to the 'other forums' you keep talking about for goodness sake!

If you truly want to help out the graphics artists, yourself included, then you will stick this out and work with us. We are a community who do our level best to use legitimate works - why would you walk away?

[Selena]

let me go find the posts and i'll take some screenshots so you guys won't have to go prodding around.

[Andria]

Yea Selena please, because Exile is set to members only. Show them about Dale, and how much he has stolen on graphic hub, piczo myspace, etc.

Let me say again, I used to own dollie bliss, before Dale bought it. Now i was told by him, that his cousin Love, who owns a big doll site, would be owning the site but she had no money to buy it herself. I took his word for it because Love had contacted me showing interest in the site. The day he bought it, he replaced all of the original content i made and put all stolen work on it. He openly admits to stealing, like it's not a problem.

Selena knows all about him to, and he is affiliated with TK on 4 of his sites, that's how I know he is affiliated with stealers. Or A stealer...


Some screen shots:

http://i10.tinypic.com/4ic3xiv.gif

http://i9.tinypic.com/44udh1s.gif

^ his own cousin admitting he steals

[Selena]

unfortunately i'm pretty sure he's deleted all of his posts regarding any of that. i've checked all posts made by him and the last one was in april i think, and none of them even in the exile board.

i know admins and mods can see deleted posts, so maybe i'll pm one of them to get me some screenshots.

[fryman]

exile board? Whats that?

[Andria]

exile board? Whats that?
It's a board on a forum we go to that reports all stolen graphics on sites.

[Selena]

its just the name of the board where we report sites who steal graphics from other sites, or directly link to images (while still stealing), but while using the person's bandwith too.

edit//we posted almost at the same time..

[mcfox]

Well, I can see how you would be p***** at this person, Dale.

Thing is, as you know, webmasters buy, sell and trade links all the time. Sometimes they go under the title, 'Sponsors,' and sometimes they go under other titles such as 'Hot Links,' 'Partners,' or whatever. How can a person possibly judge whether such a site is or is not, using stolen images? We can't. Not really. A few checks are always in order to make certain the site is legitimate, etc., but aside from that there really isn't a whole lot we can do.

Obviously, given this history you have with this individual, you would not wish to drive any traffic his way. We can all understand this.

I sincerely hope that you can understand that the majority here go out of their way to locate legitimate, good quality layouts and graphics and it rankles us to be cast in the same light as someone who rips layouts and graphics with no regard or payment.

So, I hope you stick around, Andria, and show us what you are capable of producing.

btw, are you really only 22? Somehow from your posts I thought you were a bit older. ;)

[Andria]

Well, I can see how you would be p***** at this person, Dale.

Thing is, as you know, webmasters buy, sell and trade links all the time. Sometimes they go under the title, 'Sponsors,' and sometimes they go under other titles such as 'Hot Links,' 'Partners,' or whatever. How can a person possibly judge whether such a site is or is not, using stolen images? We can't. Not really. A few checks are always in order to make certain the site is legitimate, etc., but aside from that there really isn't a whole lot we can do.

Obviously, given this history you have with this individual, you would not wish to drive any traffic his way. We can all understand this.

I sincerely hope that you can understand that the majority here go out of their way to locate legitimate, good quality layouts and graphics and it rankles us to be cast in the same light as someone who rips layouts and graphics with no regard or payment.

So, I hope you stick around, Andria, and show us what you are capable of producing.

btw, are you really only 22? Somehow from your posts I thought you were a bit older. ;)

I understand, and i didn't mean to come off *****y or rude. Hope all can be forgotten :)

And yes i'm 22, I just like to sound older lol.

[mcfox]

Ok, hopefully we can all move on.

I hope this has cleared the air somewhat.

[alexisthemovie]

exile board? Whats that?

http://www.kawaiiville.com/

[fryman]

yeah, found it... nothing really interesting

[PGZ]

I want to move on also BUT.....................Can you please show us what graphics you THINK are stolen on a site. Specifically the site you have pointed out here on this site.

I dont care about the other people that admit they steal.

What graphics and who is the owner of said Graphics. I dont want to know who the designer is or was I want to know who they sold the rights to.

[tkilgore]

I want to move on also BUT.....................Can you please show us what graphics you THINK are stolen on a site. Specifically the site you have pointed out here on this site.

I dont care about the other people that admit they steal.

What graphics and who is the owner of said Graphics. I dont want to know who the designer is or was I want to know who they sold the rights to.

OK, First,

The link provided is from the MSRS standard build. So every owner here is a stealer of images? Greg you may want to correct this with her. This is right out of the default build.

Andrea do me a favor and if you use my site as an example please get my permission first. It is only fair that you do so. =] Moderator ..enforce this please!!!

And let me see if I have this straight and correct me if I am wrong please. You own an Mp3 site?

I am a retied music producer that has a lot of ties to the biz still. Hence the reason we use myspace for band promotion. The idea that you have MP3 site that gives away my artist music tell me you are living a double standard here at best.

We have graphics we do not have a clue about ..but you on the other hand have been warned that this kind of stuff is not going to be tolerated in the music world.

But you have how many titles and give it away for fee? And you expect me to be epithetic to your cause. I thought you were a coded MP3 player only. yikes

Wow… what was your point again? Maybe get a person that NOT SCAMMING MUSIC to set us straight vs. one of the convicts themselves.

Just seems really dumb that you would judge other by the conviction you do yourself.

At the very least I am owed this for the statements you make …and keep making about my online business.

Myspacegenerator.org and all of my 200 sites do not have a clue what is questionable with out a watermark in general. That’s what the standard is ..so get a grip or get a better tool.

Tod K

[Andria]

I want to move on also BUT.....................Can you please show us what graphics you THINK are stolen on a site. Specifically the site you have pointed out here on this site.

I dont care about the other people that admit they steal.

What graphics and who is the owner of said Graphics. I dont want to know who the designer is or was I want to know who they sold the rights to.
That's the point, the graphics weren't sold to anyone. They were taken off the sites (stolen) and either used or sold.

I never said anything about TKs site until this thread appeared, i was talking about all of his affiliates.

But again, everything has been brought up.


http://www.layoutlab.com/Images/Glitter_Words/images/77.gif

^ Was made my carrielynne of Carrielynnesworld.com, she has never sold any rights to anyone.

http://www.layoutlab.com/Images/Glitter_Words/images/57.gif

^ Was made by Amaira of babypixels.com wich is now closed, she also never sold the graphics or any rights.


http://www.layoutlab.com/Images/Brat_Dolls/

^ Was HAND DRAWN by Josie of http://www.over-the-moon.org/dollz/ , she states clearly in her TOS you cannot redistribute her dolls or dolls made using her hand drawn maker

I thought this was dropped, but I guess not. I can have the owners come here if you would like to back up what I am saying.

TK again, my site has nothing to do with this. YOU made this thread asking me what I meant by what I said, and i told you. If my site was illegal or if it was wrong doing, google wouldnt have accepted it and read my contracts.

I buy my codes and put them on my site to help out young kids who want music on their websites and don't know how. Again, if you want to criticize my site, criticize myspace, the main site that makes you your money. They have tons of music WITHOUT permission and legal contracts. So does youtube and every other site out there. That's not the point here.......

The point on hand is stolen graphics, and again I never once said it was your fault, but you should really contact whoever sold those graphics to you because they ripped you off.

I just want this dropped but it seems some of you can't drop it. I keep repeating myself and trying to defend myself all for a little comment I made wich I had the right to do. I've proven your affiliates have stolen TK, so what's the issue here?

[mcfox]

Actually, it was me who made this thread by splitting it from your sales thread.

I am glad however, that you have provided some links.

Please note, I have changed the urls in your post to one of my own sites in order not to unfairly single anyone out.

[Andria]

Actually, it was me who made this thread by splitting it from your sales thread.
Ok, I didn't make it and i'm kind of sick of trying to explain things when either no one wants to hear what i'm saying or just don't believe it.

[mcfox]

Ok, I didn't make it and i'm kind of sick of trying to explain things when either no one wants to hear what i'm saying or just don't believe it.
You are wrong assuming no-one wants to hear what you have to say or that you are not being believed.

Obviously, as skeptical internet users, many webmasters here need convincing - that is only right and proper. Without some way of verifying what you have to say we cannot take only your word for it. So it definitely helps when you have a source we can independently verify for ourselves.

For a change we can actually hear from someone who, it appears so far anyways, actually creates graphics from scratch and also knows their way around the various graphics forums and people.

This is a good thing as far as I am concerned since this will in the long run help Myspace Resource site webmasters track down and utilise the graphics made by the actual artists themselves.

Keep with it.

[Selena]

i hope this can all be sorted out, let me see, i'll get on graphic hub and all of dale's sites and give you guys urls to a lot of his stolen graphics =D

[tkilgore]

i hope this can all be sorted out, let me see, i'll get on graphic hub and all of dale's sites and give you guys urls to a lot of his stolen graphics =D

ALL MSRS OWNERS --

http://www.yourdomainhere.com/Images/Glitter_Words/images/57.gif

In our default MSRS builds are stolen graphics. ** Alert**

Andrea… I HAVE made sure that EVERY MSRS owner here Is NOW aware of that the image in our default builds is not just questionable but stolen to you or to the graphics community.

Please understand that a TOP NOTCH FORUM like this ... the "POST" per-say and replies make it to the search engines in record time. So when you say that WORD and my site or my initials… now you just made history. I should in way thank you for the traffic boost. YIKEEES but the LINK to your site instead would have helped I just tried to be nice by replying.... LOL

ANYWAY MSRS OWNER:
If you have the following link "PARTNER” they are questionable. So PM me direct and i will show them to you. As I will be removing them in the next day or so. So I will have a few links open for graphics stuff (beware sales ploy) so again PM me if you want to exchange with the "questionable sites".

Item #2
As well as any thing "doOOOLLL" did I just say doll...(o man) related it needs to be reviewed if Andria would be so kind. It a simple directory to me like “tweaks” or whatever ..just so you no how dedicated I am to graphics. Love them but ask me to code not draw. There ya go Andrea that’s what you really wanted was for me to confess that I have "0" art skills you broke me!!! LOL. But as long as the end-user likes it and they seem to ..I will not get to fancy.

So my real point here is when we have no images left to show ...I like to know were I can get images that are not a)stolen or hacked or b) Given away on the internet by the kids we give them too.

So revamping my “sites” will be a bit easier if I have that info. And more than one source to make sure we not doing what we have already done in some of our builds “duplicating”

Andrea…just a word to you personally…

A very wise bird told me to always have a solution or at least one in mind before you open and or say something that you know may be questionable. My guess is your community sprit is what lead you to here, and I am not going to get in that way of that.

So with that being said AGAIN …help us to help you! I hope in the future you will take a bit different stance to provide a solution to owners in general. As you are one as well and did not like me attacking your site I noticed.

Tod K

[Ted Hat]

Some You guys are making too much of a big deal out of this.

Your first priority should be traffic, then revenue, and finaly protecting your 'brand'. not the other way around.

JMHO cause this is a very important issue

[Christine]

I know of Dale as I'm a member of kawaiiville forums. I know that he has stole, but like others I'm unable to find current proof about it.

As for the mp3's, in my oppinion loads of sites rip them off everyday without a contract with legal permission.

Selena - I'll also try to look around. Most of his sites, you can tell are his because they all have the same look.. Just different colours from memory.

I hope this rut will be sorted out soon. Perhaps get in contact with Love to get Dale's contact information or something.

[YabbaDoo]

The double standards of Andria & that Selena girl here makes me laugh so hard I could split in half....I'd like to take a moment to say.....That, although, a lot of people do ENJOY making sites and stuff for myspace...The fact is, most of the people do it for the money, after all, you wouldn't work in a grocery store for free, so why not earn a few bucks doing online work.
It really makes me want to pull my hair out, there is nothing I hate more than hypocrites and people with true DOUBLE STANDARDS - as most people on this Forum have realised that is what we are dealing with, people with double sodding standards - the LOWEST of the low!

Take a moment to look at the following sites:
www.divine-music.net - 100% STOLEN CONTENT. She didn't even make the layout.
She just downloads OTHER peoples work and uses it. Truely pathetic, how someone can go on about hating people who steal, yet, she goes on about LEGAL crap (more on this below)

http://www.officialpimpspace.com/ - A site owned by Selena I believe.
If you look here: http://www.officialpimpspace.com/index.php?action=graphics&p=commentgraphics

ALL STOLEN!!!

So, lets have a laugh at these people shall we?
After all it amuses me, that they spout out B*Sh** about what's wrong or right on the web. Yet they do it all themselves - Double standards is the word?
We have 2 people who go on about how terrible stealing is, like the worlds about to end. - And it's just the internet. Stealing is a big deal, but theres no law against it, if its such an issue COPYRIGHT YOUR WORK - Legally, otherwise, shut up. Cos, theres nothing anyone can do. Come on...These legal copyright cases go on for years, and they cant even go to court when it's like "your word against his"...
Andria, is she lying?
I mean, double standards is bad, but being a liar too...Can you get any worse?
She said she had a LEGAL contract with the Apple Corporations, most popular franchise - iTunes USA.
Now correct me if I am wrong, but when you install iTunes. you ACCEPT terms.
In these terms, it clearly states...You MUST NOT REDISTRUBUTE CONTENT...You download it for personal, home use only...ETC...And copyright belongs to the artists, WHO ACTUALLY DO HAVE A LEGAL COPYRIGHT AND CAN SUE YOU EASILY.
And, I KNOW for a fact iTunes, wont do a deal with a tiny person like a one woman website. They take enough persuading to do a MILLION DOLLAR DEAL with Coca Cola Corp. who done a free song giveaway, and that was for PERSONAL USE only.
The fact is, She doesn't have a legal contract, she just buys songs from iTunes, converts them and uploads them. A legal contract with the Apple Corp. Would cost Millions. ANDRIA - YOU STEAL, YOU REDISTRIBUTE - AND YOU KNOW YOU DO IT.
You even put up a common disclaimer used as a legal "Loophole".

Selena (sp?) - You own or co-own a site packed with stolen content. Not just any stolen content. Most stolen content. You both steal - either graphics from smaller sites and claim them as your own (or put the common "copyright goes to there respective creators" crap.)
Or, even worse, steal from big companys, and put a loophole disclaimer up, to cover your back,
YOU STEAL.
YOU KNOW YOU STEAL.
YOU PRETEND YOU HATE IT TO MAKE YOU LOOK GOOD.
YOU COVER YOUR BACK USING LEGAL LOOPHOLE DISCLAIMERS.
And....You cant get out of this...Because you know you're all in on it and know what you're doing....ahhhh double standards much?
Puh-Lease....Get a life, or get a new hobby :)

[Selena]

I don't OWN that site persay since i dont have the login info, i simply submit layouts and graphics and help promote it. I have no control over what deep puts on it.
If you do notice we've put up another comment graphics section which is at the top, to begin REPLACING the stolen graphics, which i have spoken to deep about. The newer graphics section has a delete function, but the older one does not. I will speak to deep about it today and ask him if he can get rid of that section. It was not put on there by me, and deep explained to me that he added that in the beginning to get some content up, but now we're going to eliminate it and add our own graphics, if you notice higher up the menu, you see those. In fact I will IM deep RIGHT NOW and ask him to remove them thanks. I have no reason to keep those up, since I DONT STEAL. I hate it and since I know how to make my own graphics way better graphics than those stolen ones, why would I take the stolen crap that is on the site currently? Make sense to you? I think not.

I think the stolen graphics on most sites are ugly beyond anything I've ever seen. Why would I...who can make my own content 20thousand times better than anything I could steal, I know it sounds braggy but mostly true, steal ugly graphics to put on my site. The only reason I havent opened my OWN site by myself, is because I'm busy making tons of content for it. I've imed deep, though he is idle, asking him to remove the graphics, because quite frankly, I'd forgotten they were there.

As for Andria, the layout she bought was part of a script that cost her not 100, not 300, but 800 DOLLARS. She got the layout because it integrated into the script well, so she bought it, which is perfectly legal. And we've already been through the music crap, she doesnt justify it with a disclaimer, she justifies it with contracts and legal documents, making what she does legal and right. She doesnt offer them to download, and I'd like to see someone who buys a CD put a music code on their site themselves...it would be rather difficult. Your pathetic, coming here with your total of 5 posts ONLY IN THIS THREAD. I'm beginning to think I know who you are, but I won't say anything.

Or lets talk about myspace, who redistributes thousands of songs onto profiles daily. Lets talk about them. There are no lawsuits against them is there? They're doing exactly what Andria is doing, but just because they are myspace, they can get away with it right? Wrong. If what she did was so illegal, she would've been sued by now, but is she being sued? NO. Because what she does is legal, and perfectly right.

I do not have a double standard, I can assure you that. I hardly even scroll to the bottom of the site exept to check the stats, much less look at that crap content. I'd forgotten and now it will be removed. In fact, i'll ask him to remove all stolen content and I will replace that stuff with my own to make up for it. And lets see Yabba, do you have a site? Hmm, i'd like to see whats on YOUR site buddy.

[mcfox]

Keep it civil ladies and gentlemen.

[Selena]

I'd do that but calling me a stealer, as many graphics as I make on my own, is just ridiculous.
Ask almost any member of this board and they'll tell you I make good unique not-stolen content. If I can do that for others, wtf why would I steal on my own website? Does that make sense to you, because it certainly doesnt make sense to me.

[fryman]

Do you know the owner of dolliecrave?

[Selena]

Yes I know the owner of dolliecrave, who quite frankly, I greatly dislike her as well, since she owns
www.freeglitters.com and steals graphics to put on there as well. Cheats on topsites as well, but yes I know her..why?

[Emma]

Just about on everyone on this other forum (kville) does.. Mitsiki.

[fryman]

Just wondering... I have seen her work ever since the buddy icons era (I used to have one of the big icons sites and was always checking out my competition). And all her sites seem quite popular, she must be earning serious cash

[Selena]

She earns at least 1k per day from paypopup, gets some serious traffic. She was one of the first "dollsites" out there. Here work is everywhere, but she got addicted to stealing and making tons of cash from other people's work, so she keeps stolen content on freeglitters.com and some of her other duplicate sites sites. I heard from someone from all her sites she makes over 60k per year.

[EHamilton]

Lmfao, how does 1k a day add up to 60k a year?

[Selena]

she probably makes more its just an estimate. Yeah then again the whoel 60k per year thing was a long time ago. She was just boasting awhile ago about 1k per day, so maybe she makes more.

[mcfox]

she probably makes more its just an estimate. Yeah then again the whoel 60k per year thing was a long time ago. She was just boasting awhile ago about 1k per day, so maybe she makes more.
And for the rest of the school year, I want you to follow this simple mantra:
"Must study harder at math. Must study harder at math." :clown:

Note: I'm just joking around :innocent:

[deep]

The double standards of Andria & that Selena girl here makes me laugh so hard I could split in half....I'd like to take a moment to say.....That, although, a lot of people do ENJOY making sites and stuff for myspace...The fact is, most of the people do it for the money, after all, you wouldn't work in a grocery store for free, so why not earn a few bucks doing online work.
It really makes me want to pull my hair out, there is nothing I hate more than hypocrites and people with true DOUBLE STANDARDS - as most people on this Forum have realised that is what we are dealing with, people with double sodding standards - the LOWEST of the low!

Take a moment to look at the following sites:
www.divine-music.net - 100% STOLEN CONTENT. She didn't even make the layout.
She just downloads OTHER peoples work and uses it. Truely pathetic, how someone can go on about hating people who steal, yet, she goes on about LEGAL crap (more on this below)

http://www.officialpimpspace.com/ - A site owned by Selena I believe.
If you look here: http://www.officialpimpspace.com/index.php?action=graphics&p=commentgraphics

ALL STOLEN!!!

So, lets have a laugh at these people shall we?
After all it amuses me, that they spout out B*Sh** about what's wrong or right on the web. Yet they do it all themselves - Double standards is the word?
We have 2 people who go on about how terrible stealing is, like the worlds about to end. - And it's just the internet. Stealing is a big deal, but theres no law against it, if its such an issue COPYRIGHT YOUR WORK - Legally, otherwise, shut up. Cos, theres nothing anyone can do. Come on...These legal copyright cases go on for years, and they cant even go to court when it's like "your word against his"...
Andria, is she lying?
I mean, double standards is bad, but being a liar too...Can you get any worse?
She said she had a LEGAL contract with the Apple Corporations, most popular franchise - iTunes USA.
Now correct me if I am wrong, but when you install iTunes. you ACCEPT terms.
In these terms, it clearly states...You MUST NOT REDISTRUBUTE CONTENT...You download it for personal, home use only...ETC...And copyright belongs to the artists, WHO ACTUALLY DO HAVE A LEGAL COPYRIGHT AND CAN SUE YOU EASILY.
And, I KNOW for a fact iTunes, wont do a deal with a tiny person like a one woman website. They take enough persuading to do a MILLION DOLLAR DEAL with Coca Cola Corp. who done a free song giveaway, and that was for PERSONAL USE only.
The fact is, She doesn't have a legal contract, she just buys songs from iTunes, converts them and uploads them. A legal contract with the Apple Corp. Would cost Millions. ANDRIA - YOU STEAL, YOU REDISTRIBUTE - AND YOU KNOW YOU DO IT.
You even put up a common disclaimer used as a legal "Loophole".

Selena (sp?) - You own or co-own a site packed with stolen content. Not just any stolen content. Most stolen content. You both steal - either graphics from smaller sites and claim them as your own (or put the common "copyright goes to there respective creators" crap.)
Or, even worse, steal from big companys, and put a loophole disclaimer up, to cover your back,
YOU STEAL.
YOU KNOW YOU STEAL.
YOU PRETEND YOU HATE IT TO MAKE YOU LOOK GOOD.
YOU COVER YOUR BACK USING LEGAL LOOPHOLE DISCLAIMERS.
And....You cant get out of this...Because you know you're all in on it and know what you're doing....ahhhh double standards much?
Puh-Lease....Get a life, or get a new hobby :)


K first of all I don't steal stuff, I buy it. It's kinda hard to know wuts stolen and not. I bought the whole graphics pack. Theres hundreds of websites selling thos graphics packs with thousands of graphics in it. Do not call someone a thief without having any proof. Just b/c you see something on my website that is stolen doesnt mean you go on my website and start making a fuss about it. The first thing you should have done is contacted me about it but instead you or someone from this forum went to my website and started posting stuff about me stealing. If you think I steal then I wouldnt have created my own unique layout, I could of just used one of those turnkey layouts that most webmasters seem to be using.

So please if you have a problem with my website contact me first before going on my website and posting rude comments.
As for the graphics, I will remove them. It might take some time though, I'm currently busy with other stuff. I dont need to steal, me and selena make most of fthe graphics. And dont blame SELENA for anything as she doesnt have control over what goes on the website but yes shes part of it.

If you have any other problems just reply and talk to me about it.

[deep]

Comment graphics removed, proof (http://www.officialpimpspace.com/index.php?action=graphics)

oh and reply back and tell me if other sections contain any stolen graphics. I just bought the package so im not sure which is. So whoever was babbling about OfficialPImpSpace stealing stuff, plzz reply and tell me which section contains stolen graphics as I will delete that whole section.
Thank You!

[Fishfinger]

She does make great graphics, I can confirm that.

But what I really wanna know Selena is....did you take that picture in your tub???


________________

[Selena]

no sir that picture was taken while sitting on the side of the tub, though i must admit there was water in it, though i had no intention of getting in it, since my brother's gf had forgotten to drain the water. silly girl she is. But I am wearing clothes, so yeah, im not some cam whore. but thank you fishfinger for confirming my graphics quality.

[Ted Hat]

Yes I know the owner of dolliecrave, who quite frankly, I greatly dislike her as well, since she owns
www.freeglitters.com and steals graphics to put on there as well. Cheats on topsites as well, but yes I know her..why?

I wish I owned a site like freeglitters.com It pisses me off how im always missing the boat on everything. I'm always missing the boat. Even Jesus doesnt make 1K a day. Bfft to this. Sucks so much.

[Andria]

The double standards of Andria & that Selena girl here makes me laugh so hard I could split in half....I'd like to take a moment to say.....That, although, a lot of people do ENJOY making sites and stuff for myspace...The fact is, most of the people do it for the money, after all, you wouldn't work in a grocery store for free, so why not earn a few bucks doing online work.
It really makes me want to pull my hair out, there is nothing I hate more than hypocrites and people with true DOUBLE STANDARDS - as most people on this Forum have realised that is what we are dealing with, people with double sodding standards - the LOWEST of the low!

Take a moment to look at the following sites:
www.divine-music.net - 100% STOLEN CONTENT. She didn't even make the layout.
She just downloads OTHER peoples work and uses it. Truely pathetic, how someone can go on about hating people who steal, yet, she goes on about LEGAL crap (more on this below)

http://www.officialpimpspace.com/ - A site owned by Selena I believe.
If you look here: http://www.officialpimpspace.com/index.php?action=graphics&p=commentgraphics

ALL STOLEN!!!

So, lets have a laugh at these people shall we?
After all it amuses me, that they spout out B*Sh** about what's wrong or right on the web. Yet they do it all themselves - Double standards is the word?
We have 2 people who go on about how terrible stealing is, like the worlds about to end. - And it's just the internet. Stealing is a big deal, but theres no law against it, if its such an issue COPYRIGHT YOUR WORK - Legally, otherwise, shut up. Cos, theres nothing anyone can do. Come on...These legal copyright cases go on for years, and they cant even go to court when it's like "your word against his"...
Andria, is she lying?
I mean, double standards is bad, but being a liar too...Can you get any worse?
She said she had a LEGAL contract with the Apple Corporations, most popular franchise - iTunes USA.
Now correct me if I am wrong, but when you install iTunes. you ACCEPT terms.
In these terms, it clearly states...You MUST NOT REDISTRUBUTE CONTENT...You download it for personal, home use only...ETC...And copyright belongs to the artists, WHO ACTUALLY DO HAVE A LEGAL COPYRIGHT AND CAN SUE YOU EASILY.
And, I KNOW for a fact iTunes, wont do a deal with a tiny person like a one woman website. They take enough persuading to do a MILLION DOLLAR DEAL with Coca Cola Corp. who done a free song giveaway, and that was for PERSONAL USE only.
The fact is, She doesn't have a legal contract, she just buys songs from iTunes, converts them and uploads them. A legal contract with the Apple Corp. Would cost Millions. ANDRIA - YOU STEAL, YOU REDISTRIBUTE - AND YOU KNOW YOU DO IT.
You even put up a common disclaimer used as a legal "Loophole".

Selena (sp?) - You own or co-own a site packed with stolen content. Not just any stolen content. Most stolen content. You both steal - either graphics from smaller sites and claim them as your own (or put the common "copyright goes to there respective creators" crap.)
Or, even worse, steal from big companys, and put a loophole disclaimer up, to cover your back,
YOU STEAL.
YOU KNOW YOU STEAL.
YOU PRETEND YOU HATE IT TO MAKE YOU LOOK GOOD.
YOU COVER YOUR BACK USING LEGAL LOOPHOLE DISCLAIMERS.
And....You cant get out of this...Because you know you're all in on it and know what you're doing....ahhhh double standards much?
Puh-Lease....Get a life, or get a new hobby :)

Doesn't take a genius to realise i paid for that template.

Proof: http://www.steves-templates.com/music-templates.html

And not to mention I explained 6 million times my site is LEGAL, LEGAL CONTRACTS VIA ITUNES AND MYSELF. MY LAWYER, THEIR LAWYER, ETC. And no sweetheart, Artists cannot sue me, seeing how they signed over rights to Itunes a while back, making it LEGAL for Itunes to sell their music and be able to do what they want with the music. You have no idea what you are talking about so if you think this makes you witty or 'owning' us, you're wrong.

Selena has NO NEED to steal, since her graphics are practically the best online. She doesn't even own a myspace site, get your facts straight.

So yeah, lets see your website, please. I gaurentee Selena, myself and 10 million other people have more talent in our little pinky than you do in your entire body. GET OVER IT! You come here just to post in this thread when you're theories and attacks aren't even realistic. It's time for someone to grow up...

Oh and reguarding Mitsiki, she steals more than anyone I know and says "Oh well no big deal, I steal, get over it". She's just money hungry is all.

How long is it going to take before this thread is locked? It's nothing but arguing back and forth non stop.

P.S Deep, don't buy graphics from people you don't know. Some ppl are so selfish and so rude that they have the nerve to do what they are doing. Always have your graphics tagged too, so no one can re sell them or take them.

[deep]

P.S Deep, don't buy graphics from people you don't know. Some ppl are so selfish and so rude that they have the nerve to do what they are doing. Always have your graphics tagged too, so no one can re sell them or take them.

thank you andria, i just bought the package to just have some content. i didnt know many ppl that sell content before so i just searched through forums and found someone selling it.
actually me and selena are working on lot of new ones including layouts, glitters and other stuff and yes we are tagging it to protect our content. and all the old content that i bought will be gone soon.
and i've looked through your website, its pretty decent even though you didnt make the layout and such, it still takes quite skills to accomplish what you have done, :)

[mcfox]

i just bought the package to just have some content. i didnt know many ppl that sell content before so i just searched through forums and found someone selling it.
That was / is kinda the point of this thread.