stupid google! help me?

[Jordan]

K so google keeps kicking me out for my terms, it seems like every fortnight they're doing this and then putting me back in for a few days, then taking me out again.

It's really irritating because it means i don't even have any stable traffic...ahh

So what I need is any sort of advice as to how i can improve my site SEO wise i guess, and if anyone has any clue as to why google keeps going crazy with my site haha -_-

I'm trying to rank for the terms 'cartoon dolls' and 'dress up games' (lmfao lame i know okay, but there's just too much competition in the myspace scene and i don't have the knowledge to even try and tackle it).

i've got stacks of backlinks with that anchor text, well i did last time i checked - i should check if i'm being nofollowed :/

site link is in my sig.
thanks.

[misterproline]

This happens man - it's all in a part of site development.

You could be getting penalized for any wrong doing.

If you are spamming in anyway google will most likely know it and be penalizing you for it.

Then again like I said this is a big part in site development - your search terms are dancing and finding position.

I do recall that you just changed your entire layout around as well.

So there are many factors that conclude why google is doing this to your site.

You need not worry though - It will be more steady within due time.

[Jordan]

i don't think i've been spamming my site at all, what could that include? :/

yeah changed the layout about a month ago, that could be it, but i tried to seo optimize it as much as possible so don't know why it's giving the opposite effect. am i keyword stuffing?

yeah the thing is it hasn't been steady ever, this has been going on for a year since i opened the site. i was on the first page for all my chosen terms for a week and then went out, then on the second page, then disappeared, now i'm not even showing for ANY of my terms.

[lyzyrdgyzyrd]

Are the "stacks of backlinks" also reciprocal links? If so, they may not get credit as backlinks at all.

[Jordan]

Are the "stacks of backlinks" also reciprocal links? If so, they may not get credit as backlinks at all.
majority of them yeah. i also have a few one way backlinks too but probably not as many.
i thought link exchanges still counted but just not as much as one way links?

[omen]

Changing your attitudes towards Google might help.

[Sergio]

Make it so it's

<div id="menuheader"><h1>Cartoon Dolls</h1></div> or just <h1>Cartoon Dolls</h1> if you can (I only glanced at your coding).

instead of

<div id="menuheader">Cartoon Dolls</div>

You will obviously need to tweak your css.

[Jordan]

Changing your attitudes towards Google might help.
yes because me calling them stupid (sarcastically might i add) is going to force them to manually make my site go up and down in the ranks :)
haha no but seriously it's just really irritating me that's all.

and sure thing sergio good point, don't know why i didn't do that before. does adding an id or a class to the h1 affect its weight in google at all? probably a stupid question, eh.

[omen]

I suggest starting from scratch and reading some SEO basics. There are so many factors into rankings, and no-one knows them all (Only Google).

First things first is working out what the top 3 for them terms have done, then try to match that.

Titles, Keyword Densities, Backlinks, Domain Age, Content, PR.

I've had sites experience the same thing. I've found it's because a "bad" site is linking to you, and you're most probably linking to a "bad" site.

Then sometimes, it's just tough luck. New domain, try again.

[Sergio]

and sure thing sergio good point, don't know why i didn't do that before. does adding an id or a class to the h1 affect its weight in google at all? probably a stupid question, eh.
I'm not sure.. I do know that the h1 tags are important though.

[Matt]

Well that sucks jordan, you seem to be doing the links and SEO stuff right to my knowledge...

[Jordan]

^ eh i guess as omen said it's a lot of factors, it works for some sites and doesn't for others.

and thankyou so much for the red rep omen and mrs brightside, i love to see buddies sticking together :)

[Benahue]

yes because me calling them stupid (sarcastically might i add) is going to force them to manually make my site go up and down in the ranks :)

It could. Matt Cutts has a tad of a temper.

Here are potential on-site issues with dollcharm:

Some large images are missing alt text: 3 of the 5 images on the page have alt tags.
Not all the images on the page have width & height dimensions: Make sure all img tags have height & width attributes.
The page contains more than 10 meta keywords: You only really need 3, and it probably doesn't matter anyway because Yahoo and Google no longer read them. But they for some reason may still punish you for having too many.

When you do off-site seo, are you changing the anchor text up a little? If you're not, it may be too obvious a manipulation. Like if I was targeting Oregon florist, I would occasionally make the text Oregon florist shop, or Oregon florist stores. Google notices when the targeting is too obvious.

[Jordan]

It could. Matt Cutts has a tad of a temper.
my site is like, minature :| haha and not that well known.

Not all the images on the page have width & height dimensions: Make sure all img tags have height & width attributes.
wtf are you serious, google takes width and height attributes into account? that is such a pain in the ***.

When you do off-site seo, are you changing the anchor text up a little? If you're not, it may be too obvious a manipulation. Like if I was targeting Oregon florist, I would occasionally make the text Oregon florist shop, or Oregon florist stores. Google notices when the targeting is too obvious.
ahh I see. that brings me to my next question which is related to that: would putting 'hot dress up games' instead of 'dress up games' still benefit me in the SERPs for the term 'dress up games'? also would things like 'dress ups' still help in 'dress up games' or are they totally different?

[Andrew2]

:detective: Ask not what you can do for your site, But what your site can do for you.

[danos880]

do you have a site map?

[Matt]

:detective: Ask not what you can do for your site, But what your site can do for you.

I could see how that would help... o_O

[Jordan]

do you have a site map?
yep I sure do. put into google webmaster panel as well.

[Benahue]

would putting 'hot dress up games' instead of 'dress up games' still benefit me in the SERPs for the term 'dress up games'?
It will benefit you in that it will make the creation of your "dress up games" backlinks look more natural. Also, make sure you have less outbound links than internal links if you can.

[Jordan]

^ i've got 38 outbound and 57 inbound.

[Kasami2k4]

Link Farmer! Link Farmer!

[Andrew2]

muahahaha...

[Ad disengaged]

yep I sure do. put into google webmaster panel as well.

The google sitemaps and other sitemaps serives dont help SEo

you need good links to rank higher.

[Jordan]

The google sitemaps and other sitemaps serives dont help SEo

you need good links to rank higher.
i've tried building up my backlinks with my chosen anchor text. seemed to help for a while but i think google caught onto it as it seemed unnatural i guess and dropped me in the serps really fast.

[Cyclops]

How is the site ranking in Yahoo and MSN, you can get an indication from those about whats happening.

[Jordan]

How is the site ranking in Yahoo and MSN, you can get an indication from those about whats happening.
not sure about msn, never got much traffic at all from them. i'm getting a very high percentage of my traffic from yahoo at the moment suddenly, and hardly any from google at all. it used to be the complete opposite.
it seems when google drops me, yahoo picks me up and when yahoo drops me, google picks me up again. weiirddd.

you can see a few of my last search terms and referrers etc. at http://www.mvtracker.com/stats.php?l=dollcharm

[rizza]

this is normal..theres nothing you can do or change.....

Eventually your site will be static in the rankings...but that only happens when google decides. Sometimes large amounts of new links will drop you for a couple days then blam your higher than you ever were before. The problem is people think google is a science and try too hard because they are impatient. Just give it time...continue what your doing for a couple more months and you'll notice your site will begin to be static in the rankings.

[TonyaB]

Google is smarter than you.

Edit Cyclops ..... Warning where it's out in the open for alll to see, if you continue to post in this fashion I will ban you, I'm pissed with seeing every second post today is from you flaming.

[Andrew2]

My dead fish is smarter than you.

Google is smarter than you.



ALSO, I was trying to say earlier...Focusing on this SEO and Marketing strategy is one way to cheat the system but the other way.. Is to just let time p**** build up content and take it slow and steady and eventually good things happen.

[TonyaB]

My dead fish is smarter than you.
And smarter than you

Edit Cyclops ..... Warning where it's out in the open for alll to see, if you continue to post in this fashion I will ban you, I'm pissed with seeing every second post today is from you flaming.

[Andrew2]

And smarter than you

Chris you already know that's not true. :kiss:

[Jordan]

Google is smarter than you.
Completely unprovoked and immature, although obviously that's true, do you see me with $18.5 billion in my pocket?
Don't see it in yours either, gtfo my thread.

[Ad disengaged]

Andrew is my link going to be up soon?

Anyway, google drops you your ******. Your only recorse is to stick your head ina toliet since google isnt going to give you any answers and there are tons of reasons many if which arent obvious why a site gets dropped.

I have seen many once popular myspace sites plumet in rankings for no compelling reason. They just do and nothing you can do about it.

[wce]

This happens to me as well but only on one of my sites (not a myspace site). It was really really bad for a while. Was dropping me for 2-3-4 days every single week then it started to become every other week and now it seems like it's just doing it for one day here and there every few weeks. During this my ranking was shifting (upwards) and now I'm #1 and #2 for my two largest terms. My site is over 3 years old so it's definitely not because its new, however, it seemed to happen after I changed my site design.

[Andrew2]

and no cus your site isn't completed.. there's spots for ads that say ad 1 and ad 2 and the top is basically a box full of keywords o_0

I think i'm gonna postpone the link exchange and I had that thread removed. Thanks for your participation, maybe in the future when you finish your site.

[Benahue]

it seems when google drops me, yahoo picks me up and when yahoo drops me, google picks me up again. weiirddd.

That's their idea of a sick joke.

[Jordan]

^ LOL youre kiddin me right.

also i just noticed when you type my site name into google the index doesn't show up but other subpages do...is that a bad thing? when you type site:www.dollcharm.com doll charm it shows up, but not when you type in doll charm by itself.

[Andrew2]

cus dollcharm is one word like your domain and doll charm is 2 so it searches for things like dolls and bracelet charms.

WHY IS doesnt do that to me is pure coincidence i guess..

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=dirt+2

It used to never be on there o_0

[omen]

Jordan it's because your penalized.

[Jordan]

Jordan it's because your penalized.
yeah obviously, i just don't get why. i haven't been doing anything dodgy, spamming etc. maybe it's the proxies caching my site so google thinks it's duplicate content?

[Kasami2k4]

Make sure those retarded proxy sites arent duping your site.

[omen]

This is why you should expand, have more than one site. If you believe you haven't done anything shady, just keep building the site, link exchanging and let Google work it out.

It's the only thing you can do, you have no control over what Google does.

[Jordan]

This is why you should expand, have more than one site. If you believe you haven't done anything shady, just keep building the site, link exchanging and let Google work it out.

It's the only thing you can do, you have no control over what Google does.
yeah i'm working on more sites, but just found out that the one i've been working on for months isn't displaying google ads cos i apparently put the wrong title text above the ads once and it was 'telling users to click' when it said something like 'ads - support the site'. so google's not serving ads to the site...ah not a good start.

i don't really know how to get traffic other than google cos i'm a total noob but oh well hopefully google sorts stuff out sometime in the near future.

[omen]

Don't you have all your friends to exchange links with? That's a start. Join topsites like
pimp-my-profile, topmyspacesite, pyzam, free-extras, sparkletags

There's many many ways to get traffic other than google!

[Jordan]

Don't you have all your friends to exchange links with? That's a start. Join topsites like
pimp-my-profile, topmyspacesite, pyzam, free-extras, sparkletags

There's many many ways to get traffic other than google!
i have exchanged with all my friends :/ go take a look and see how many link exchanges i've done...that's probably brought me down a bit in google cos the link buildup isn't very natural.
yeah i tried those but i wasn't sending enough traffic so i wasn't even showing up, ugh.
i guess i'll just focus on my new site.

[Benahue]

^ LOL youre kiddin me right.

haha, if I really believed that I would be insane.

yeah i'm working on more sites, but just found out that the one i've been working on for months isn't displaying google ads cos i apparently put the wrong title text above the ads once and it was 'telling users to click' when it said something like 'ads - support the site'. so google's not serving ads to the site...ah not a good start.
Really? I didn't know they did that. I would have thought they would just suspend your account if they saw that.

It is a real possibility your links are being viewed as a link farm as someone pointed out. Wait a while, and if nothing good happens, experiment by dropping some of your links (let people know obviously). If you really want to decode the mystery of what is happening, pay aaron wall for a $1,000 consultation.

[Andrew2]

We can exchange links and all your problems will go away :)



















PS: I lie.

[Jordan]

^ psh andrew hush :) don't get my hopes up lmao

Really? I didn't know they did that. I would have thought they would just suspend your account if they saw that.
Yeah apparently they do do that. The thing is, ads have been disabled from showing on this certain domain since january this year apparently...I thought they would have taken the ban off after some period of time. I've emailed them and asked them if it's possible for them to start serving ads to that domain again, hopefully I get a helpful response :)

It is a real possibility your links are being viewed as a link farm as someone pointed out. Wait a while, and if nothing good happens, experiment by dropping some of your links (let people know obviously). If you really want to decode the mystery of what is happening, pay aaron wall for a $1,000 consultation.
if I drop some of my links won't my rankings drop even quicker than they're currently dropping? :/
ehh it's worth a try I guess.
oh and nah I'd rather not pay 1k to get a consultation on just why google seems to dislike my site intensely seeing as this site doesn't even make that a year :/ maybe around 500 that's it lol.

[Benahue]

if I drop some of my links won't my rankings drop even quicker than they're currently dropping? :/
ehh it's worth a try I guess.

It was based on the theory that your links are being viewed as a link farm. If that's the case, then dropping them will improve your rankings. Talk to Sergio. He did that and improved his SERPS placement. But I would wait a while first.

[minnseoelite]

you should not have more than 80 outgoing links on a page this includes internal links to other pages on your site add up your links if you are over this amount try removing some of them and see if it helps.

[Jordan]

^ yep as i said before, i've got 38 outbound and 57 inbound. shouldn't be a problem really but i guess dropping a few lower pr ones would do the site some good.

It was based on the theory that your links are being viewed as a link farm. If that's the case, then dropping them will improve your rankings. Talk to Sergio. He did that and improved his SERPS placement. But I would wait a while first.
will do! thanks for the help. i noticed that when i added links i went up in the SERPs first and then went down down down...so that's probably exactly what i need to do.

[marcowitsch]

It doesnt matter what PR ther site has, look more how authoritive Google thinks it is... a PR 0 can have a higher trustrank than a PR5...

[Benahue]

It doesnt matter what PR ther site has, look more how authoritive Google thinks it is... a PR 0 can have a higher trustrank than a PR5...
Been reading Jon have we? lol.

[Jordan]

It doesnt matter what PR ther site has, look more how authoritive Google thinks it is... a PR 0 can have a higher trustrank than a PR5...
not really sure what you mean, could you elaborate?

[omen]

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=Google+Trust+Rank+what+is+it

Maybe down to very basics. Google is a search engine, you use it to look for things and find out information.

[Jordan]

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=Google+Trust+Rank+what+is+it

Maybe down to very basics. Google is a search engine, you use it to look for things and find out information.
I love it when people talk down to me :)

what i was wondering is whether trustrank was just one of those terms people used that wasn't actually something google has officially said exists or not...like the sandbox.

http://www.webmastermydomain.com/articles/SEO-Sandbox-and-TrustRank.php - just found that through the google link though. seems to be the most straight forward and simple article.